havending Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I know a guy in Florida who has a 100% single stand gumball route he covers nearly the whole state and has a gross of 1 million a year. I have been thinking of doing somthing along those lines with the chicken machine. It takes me what 45 min to service a 7 way rack including cleaning and product rotation. I can service a chicken in 15 min. Using only one product I would have alot less inventory on hand saving storage and van space thus being able to service more locations in a day. Lets face it inventory on a shelf is really cash sitting on the shelf. The Feds will not start making a dollar coin any time soon so we are stuck with the dollar bill. So I would be set there also I can take quarters and dollars. As I have been placing chickens locations have been super willing to let me in often times booting long time operators and because its a maching locations want im not giving up a large comm %, I plan on buying even more chickens to reproduce the sucess I have had thus far. I know what your thinking its 1500.00. Whats a machine worth that will gross 2400 to 3000 a year. And that will give you and edge over the next guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlock Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The big difference between what you are considering and what the Florida vendor is doing is this: Many chicken machine locations merit the placement of additional vending machines...bulk and amusement. Whereas single GB locations often do not. If all you did was focus on chicken machines, you'd be leaving money on the table because someone else would be providing your chicken locations with the other bulk/amusement equipment. A gumball single location often will support only that...a gumball single. So, unlke your chicken machine idea, you aren't leaving money on the table only focusing on that single and nothing else when it comes to gb singles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 That's a lot of gumballs. I went through 36 cases last year of 1430c. I don't think it would be that easy. You can only carry so many chicken machines that you would have to keep going home to load them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musser Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Or you could only operate single gum machines on charity and chicken machines where sensible and forget all the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 If all you did was focus on chicken machines, you'd be leaving money on the table because someone else would be providing your chicken locations with the other bulk/amusement equipment. Is he really though? This point deserves a longer look because, all too often, we get so focused on the bottom line $$$ that we forget to account for efficiency. I completely agree that while you're building the route you're leaving money on the table, but what about once you've reached your maximum time equity? I mean, there's only so many hours in a day. If hav can service four chickens in the same time it takes him to service a chicken, a 7 way and a double flat he's actually leaving money on the table by branching out and offering everything. This isn't even factoring in the amount of overhead/spoilage and additional resources used to inventory various assortments of candy/toys/mechs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 Is he really though? This point deserves a longer look because, all too often, we get so focused on the bottom line $$$ that we forget to account for efficiency. I completely agree that while you're building the route you're leaving money on the table, but what about once you've reached your maximum time equity? I mean, there's only so many hours in a day. If hav can service four chickens in the same time it takes him to service a chicken, a 7 way and a double flat he's actually leaving money on the table by branching out and offering everything. This isn't even factoring in the amount of overhead/spoilage and additional resources used to inventory various assortments of candy/toys/mechs. Thats where I was heading. Now I have on hand 20 or so toy products. With a good size route you have to have a selection of many offerings to rotate through. Then comes the displays 3.50 to 3.75 a pop they add up fast. I buy printed when I can but by doing so im missing out on some sales. Lets face it im sure I would have a rack here and there for the super busy places. But I know there is a ton of savings to be had and great locations to grab up by placing more and more chickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlock Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I don't mean to sound cheesy given the subject....but, it's hard to justify putting all your "eggs" in one basket like this, IMO. I am all about simplifying your route AND I am a big fan of the All-American. I just think today's business climate dicates we make the most out of our locations. So I wouldn't want to leave any money on the table in any of my locations if it's possible for me to provide the additional equipment a location deserves to accomodate. Again, my views don't apply to the gb singles routes...this is about the locations which merit/deserve more equipment. If we are talking strictly about efficiency, I don't see how anyone can trump the efficiency of having multiple machines in one location squeezing all the quarters for yourself rather than taking a smaller piece of the pie at multiple locations and leaving part of the quarters for your competition to have. Besides, locations want "efficiency" too....the person you let provide the racks and/or claw-machines to your chicken-only location can simply tell your location, "Hey, why not just deal with one guy rather than two? I can provide my bulk and/or claw machines AND a chicken machine...it'll be more efficient for you." If that location is as interested in efficiency as much as we all seem to be, chicken-machine-only guy will be getting the boot so that one vendor can provide all of the location's bulk and/or amusement needs. Diversity, diversity, and diversity....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allsnax Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I have done something similar with a different specialty machine. It did work as planned. There were places that I was giving up business to other vendors and in two cases I eventually lost good locations because of that but the ease of placement of the machine and the fact that I hit it hard and got a bunch of really solid locations up front made up for that. The only drawback is if the mfg. discontinues your machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 That's a lot of gumballs. I went through 36 cases last year of 1430c. I don't think it would be that easy. You can only carry so many chicken machines that you would have to keep going home to load them up. Thats what my box truck is for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Bum Vending Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 interesting topic all about organization and stream lining operations for best profitability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Vending Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Its not always good to keep all your eggs in one basket. Diversifing your business and your route is one of the best things to do in my opinion. llllllll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 I met him about 9 years ago at a show. He covers all of fl and has a team of drivers. I wish I still had his info so I could check in with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treadmill Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I met him about 9 years ago at a show. He covers all of fl and has a team of drivers. I wish I still had his info so I could check in with him If his first name is Tim and he lives in the Clearwater area I have met him before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetstop Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I too have spoke with him I was buying a section. Of his route a few years back when we were in fla In the end it did not work out but I spoke with him and got a contract from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainor5251 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Tim Ricci I believe, he's always selling routes all over Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjvend Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Mr Ricci is in the Pinellas County Jail. Has been for some time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdoni88 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Don't mean to get off subject but they only stopped production of the dollar coin recently because there are huge stockpiles of them at the mint and nobody wants to use them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 When did the government start caring what people want?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstanotherperson Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 When did the government start caring what people want?! usually around election time but it soon fades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodney69 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I think the idea about gumballs only is it takes 5 minutes to fill and clean, if you let it sit till it's almost empty, your getting 150+ for 5 min, then add several stops and on the same amount of time it takes to service a 7 way, you've serviced 5 locations including some drive time. Product cost is low and profit high. This is the direction I'm headed after I dial in my current locations. My area is really competitive and over loaded. The funny thing is, there are no single head gumball machines. I'm thinking of a good charity and put them in all my current restaurants. Then take out gumballs in the racks and other equipment to put another toy. It takes up more space to keep others out and makes a bigger profit margin Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanihotdog Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Great plan rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I think the idea about gumballs only is it takes 5 minutes to fill and clean, if you let it sit till it's almost empty, your getting 150+ for 5 min, then add several stops and on the same amount of time it takes to service a 7 way, you've serviced 5 locations including some drive time. Product cost is low and profit high. This is the direction I'm headed after I dial in my current locations. My area is really competitive and over loaded. The funny thing is, there are no single head gumball machines. I'm thinking of a good charity and put them in all my current restaurants. Then take out gumballs in the racks and other equipment to put another toy. It takes up more space to keep others out and makes a bigger profit margin Imo. As said before, you can stick a GB machine in a lot of places where a rack wouldn't work. Plus, it only take one sugar junkie to make a terrific spot. On most of my GB spots, I will start with a single 300 globe. I use the 300 globes because they don't hold as much. About 25 % will ask me to add another head of candy after a few services. If need arises, I will switch to a bigger globe. I have tried to think outside the box on these locations. I have them in police stations, city halls, and offices, banks, trucking garages and driver lounges. I always try to locate the machine next to any time clocks. All are adult locations. I shoot for a 3-4 month service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodney69 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 As said before, you can stick a GB machine in a lot of places where a rack wouldn't work. Plus, it only take one sugar junkie to make a terrific spot. On most of my GB spots, I will start with a single 300 globe. I use the 300 globes because they don't hold as much. About 25 % will ask me to add another head of candy after a few services. If need arises, I will switch to a bigger globe. I have tried to think outside the box on these locations. I have them in police stations, city halls, and offices, banks, trucking garages and driver lounges. I always try to locate the machine next to any time clocks. All are adult locations. I shoot for a 3-4 month service. Why don't you use a panel head and expand it if it does better? I actually have been adding the same type as you mentioned (300). Just curious. Or does the panel hold more? If my memory serves, they hold about the same? I've learned a lot from you, Musser, HaVending, and well everyone, but the single gumball idea has only been a few and makes the most sense . I also have a customer right now that has over 600 gumball machines that is doing well with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 A panel with cab back holds same as large head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodney69 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 That's what I thought, but does the 300 hold ad much as a panel with no cab back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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