AngryChris Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I have an AP 4000 that has been in my garage for over a year now. The location it was at closed their doors. The machine was sitting next to a stand-alone changer as the AP does not have a validator. For what it would cost to upgrade, it feels like I am still going to be stuck with a very old cabinet, very old wiring, and very old shelves and motors. It would cost me a minimum of $300 to make this thing take dollar bills, and probably $500+ if I go all out and upgrade the board and all. For that amount of money, I could invest in a refurbished machine that is much newer and much nicer. Correct me if I am wrong, but these motors are the same motors that are used in AP 6000/7000's and AP 110's. If that's the case, I think I am better off pulling all of the motors, all of the spirals, a few trays (maybe?), the board, coin mech, and maybe a few other parts and scrapping the rest. Scrap prices are about 10 cents locally here, so I figure I should be able to get at least $50 for this machine. What would you guys do? Are there any other components I should take off if I scrap it? The other machines I plan on scrapping as they begin to fail or get taken off location are: AP 430/435, USI 301x (non-A models), anything that was owned by GPL before it was GPL, an ugly old 501T that has too many problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 The motors in your 4600 will not work in the 110 series because those motors need the hooks and latch that are molded into the new motors. Your old motors will work in everything up to the 110 except for the LCM machines. Keep some of the spirals, the logic board and the mode box, coin mech and maybe gum/mint motors. You can probably sell some of it on Fleabay or keep for spares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 The motors in your 4600 will not work in the 110 series because those motors need the hooks and latch that are molded into the new motors. I forgot about that! I have to break those latches off to get the motors to work on AP 7000's. I don't know if I am doing it wrong but that's what I have had to do. I am assuming that you are telling me that it's a good idea to scrap the AP 4000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 The new motors are for the 110 machines and backwards compatible to the 6/7000 and 4/5000 series if the tabs are broken off. I think you'd be better to scrap this one and continue to upgrade your fleet as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allen watson Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 keep it if you can store it for nothing. Where did all the model T's go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 I need the space actually. I don't think my AP 4000 will ever be of historical value lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris1953 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I just ran one across the scales. Took out the logic board. It did have a mars bill board on it. You could upgrade with the greenwick board and may have a decent vendor. But those motors are 30 years old. Save your money and try to find a AP 7000 for the same money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allen watson Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I'm hoping my AP500's will soon be collectors items. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I'm hoping my AP500's will soon be collectors items. lol I see a new sand dune forming in your yard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 I just had an AP 4000 just fail on location. It needs another board at the least. I don't really have a spare snack machine so I might put the money out for a new board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 You can pull the board out of your scrappy 4600 or is it already a bad board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 I can salvage one. Apparently it started tp steal dollar bills and randomly free vending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allen watson Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Hahaha. Sand dunes actually preserve stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris1953 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I can salvage one. Apparently it started tp steal dollar bills and randomly free vending. Replace lights with LED. Make sure it has that small board that powers connects to so when the changer goes bad it don't blow the diodes on the board. If I were to keep it I would update with a micro mech to MDB kit. $160 plus shipping and that eliminates that $100 plus piggy back board on the main board. If you decide to scrap it later you can take the kit off and use it in another machine. It is universal so it will work in anything not MDB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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