kdub3821 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I got a new account. The catch is I must have account coffee machine. I bought a ap 213 from empire vending on ebay. Machine has new valves and has been tested. Now I need to know where to buy a good coffee and cups that will work with this machine. I also would appreciate any tips and advice on coffee machines. Thank you for your time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrCorey Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 vending supply place. I think that machine need it's supplies "whipper" approved. meaning it is made to work the best in vending machines. otherwise the produce can clot and jam up the machines. or hit the whipper blade and turn into a cloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 There's a lot more to rebuilding a machine besides just putting new valves in it. Did they rebuild the water tank including the heaters and delime it? Did they rebuild the brewer if it has one? Did they rebuild the whippers? Use products from Vistar or any other vending supplier. Use Kayo chocolate, Hills Brothers coffee and Superior flavored coffees such as French Vanilla. Did you get or download a manual for it and have you read it? You need to understand the programming. Is it supposedly programmed for the cups you will use and for the products you will use? The cup rings must be adjusted for specific cups and once they are set you can't change cups without readjusting the cup rings. You can ask me any questions about it but I'll need to know what selections you have and what your machine configuration is - fresh brew, bean grinder, freeze dried, etc. If you'll post the model number (on the inside right top wall) I can tell you what the configuration should be if it hasn't been changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdub3821 Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 Wow just sank back in my seat. Nothing was mentioned on anything you have brought up except the valves and that it was tested. So many questions. I'm downloading the Manual now. How often should the tank be delimed? I didn't know about fresh brew freeze dried or bean grinder. I figured the machine would be specific to one type. It's a ap 213 machine. I don't have the model number yet. The machine is being delivered next week. I was hoping the machine would be in good shape that's why I bought off a vending machine company and not off of a private seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Almost no vending operator delimes a tank while they own it and this leads to floating lime that flakes off and clogs valves. Since a machine is refurbished and you have no way of knowing how much lime has built up in it they should always be delimed before being sold. If you don't know what configuration you're getting then you need to decide which way you want to go so you get a machine the way you want it. If this Empire company is only a vending company then you're probably only going to get a machine that is clean and tested. If this is a rebuilder then they should be doing all of what I mentioned or they shouldn't be in the business, and that's without me knowing what you paid for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdub3821 Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 Wow this manual is crazy. 50 pages in so far. I understand some and have no idea on others. Channels? I keep reading how to test channels and I'm not making the connection on what is being tested. Is this something that has to be tested often? Also what are the channels? This really sucks. I had no idea coffee vending was so evolved. I really want to learn but I have put myself in a hole getting a machine and location for it so quickly. The location is very good. Two soda a snack and coffee machine location running 24 hours with a decent amount of people there at all times. I made the account owner aware that this would be my first coffee machine I have ever owned and it will be a learning process for me. The owner was very ok with my honesty. He said anything would be better then what he has put up with from the vendor that was there. Ya the service,quality of machines, and cleanliness was the worst I have ever seen. Anyways is this as crazy as I'm making it out to be? Also thank you for your time helping my panic attack I'm having right now Also it seems like ap has a couple kinds of set ups. I just need to see what one I get. I'm hoping everything is set once the machine arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrCorey Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 and wait until you see the recipe tables. they are prolly not stock cause every area has different tastes, so they are set for what their customers wanted where the machine was. a coffee machine is the most complicated vending machine. AND, it needs regular maintince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Kdub, it sounds like you have a good beginning relationship with that account. Good for you. No need to panic about the setup in this machine. The manual is basically to guide you through the initial setup when the machine is new or the logic board is replaced. Your machine will have the last programmed setup still in it and I'm sure it will be fine. The manual can also be used for making minor tweaks to the setup to adjust cup levels or to overcome dry product left in the mixing troughs. I will say that if you notice more than a couple of issues where setting or operation isn't correct once you get it all loaded and begin testing then you might need to default the machine back to it's original setup parameters and then begin to fine tune it from there. Hopefully you won't have to do that or you'll be spending a long time to complete it. For example, you might have a selection that is slightly overfilled but you also notice the dry product is barely rinsed from the trough even though the maximum (or more) amount of water is run through the trough. This could be caused by one or more issues such as a misadjusted valve, weak valve solenoid (we can rule that out with new valves), dry product starting too late, dry product set to throw too much, or someone has messed with the recipe timing to overcome one of these things. The easiest way to avoid messing with the recipes if you have over or underfilled cups is to make the adjustment at the valve itself. There is a white adjustable knob in the valve that will restrict or open the valve flow a bit. This can compensate for a couple of things I mentioned so it's always the first fix to try for a cup level issue. Don't overlook unexplained water on the floor of the machine or in the waste or grounds buckets. That is always a warning sign to follow. This is a wet machine and it should be dry inside. Clean it from the top down ending with the waste bucket which you can put a squirt of dishsoap in to keep the odors down between services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdub3821 Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Getting the machine today. What will I need to look at to find out what size cups and if it's powdered dry free dried and so 9n? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrCorey Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 that's rough. most of them are made to the buyers order. you would need to get all the number from it and search online for the models configs. I know AP 213's can come with over 24 options. the product bins should be marked. also you can take the lid off each bin and smell what was in it sometimes. for a fresh grind, look for a grinder and filter paper unit. instant wont have one. as for water system and that, the only real way is have it make you a cup of every item and try them. and how fast it makes them. and the taste, does it taste right or off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Sorry, I forgot to check this thread. The model of machine dictates what the type of coffee it will vend. The letter(s) following the model number of 213 are G for bean grinder, LG for loose ground coffee, DLG for dual loose ground, DG for dual grinder and FD for freeze dried. If you don't have DG or DLG then your decaf coffee will be freeze dried. If you have a tea selection it will also be freeze dried. You can order your cups from Vistar and you don't want to get any of the squat 12 oz cups but only the tall 12 oz cups along with 8.25 oz cups. Get them from the same manufacturer and remember to always order the same cups. They come 1500 to a case I think and I don't know if you can order loose sleeves for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdub3821 Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share Posted May 3, 2015 Ok got the manual. It's a dg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdub3821 Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share Posted May 3, 2015 Sorry having trouble understanding the lettering. Will dg be freeze dried or something else. The outside selections are a expresso roast. a 100 % columbian. Columbian decaf. Latte and mocha. Hot chocolate and a french something.sugar cream from coffee mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 DG is a dual grinder which means it uses beans in two hoppers. Does yours have that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdub3821 Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share Posted May 3, 2015 Are the hoppers the plastic bins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The hoppers for beans or for loose ground will be on a swing out bracket in front of the brewer. The other products on the product rack are in canisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdub3821 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 From reading the manual and parts manual it looks like I have a dual hopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 If you do have dual hoppers on the swing out bracket and they are clear with grinder motors underneath then you have to use unground beans in those two hoppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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