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About ButlersVending

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  • Birthday 10/17/1944

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  1. All of us must live within the confines of our own perspective and understanding. For those who believe that they shouldn't be involved with an abandoned item, whether it be a vending machine, or anything else, then you shouldn't simply by your own standards. I did clearly make the point that the location is not at all responsible for "Hot Locations", and for abandoned machines. To reiterate, the locations are businesses; they're involved in not only earning a living for themselves, but they're also obligated to pay for the heating and cooling, lights, salaries and taxes. Those businesses must utilize their floor space as profitably as necessary; when a vendor doesn't fulfill his contractual agreement, the store not only has every right to ask for the machine to be removed. If the vendor doesn't remove it, or provide for it's removal, then the responsibility is that of the vendor. Being a full time vendor of a very large route, and having been vending since 1985, I've seen both sides of this argument. Numerous times, I've been offered machines which were purported to have been abandoned, when I knew it to be the truth, if I wanted it and had a need for it, I bought it. When I did not feel comfortable about an offer, such as a late night phone offer several years ago of a Double Vista on a stand but with no keys, I turned the offer down. Over the years, upon store closings, I'd pick up machines of my competitors. I'd call them promptly upon getting home, to tell them that a store was closing, and that I took their machine for for them, and that all they needed to do was to come and get it. A couple of years ago, one Operator for whom I'd saved machines from loss twice, had one of his route runners to mess with my rack in the same restaurant. I called him to say what was happening, then told him that his runner must stop messing with my machines. At first he denied that his runners would do that, then being reminded that I was friends with his father, and that I'd returned machines to him twice, he assured me that he'd speak with them and have them to stop. He did, and they stopped. All-in-all, we Vendors should treat the Locations fairly. We shouldn't demand that they not only keep our venders in their stores once that they've abandoned them. Locations should also treat us fairly and they should call us when they no longer want our machines in their locations. It is the responsibility of Vendors to put contact information on their machines, many of us Vendors fail to always do this. (I'm sometimes guilty of this "Sin of Ommission", too.) On the other hand, the Location should look for our contact information, then use it. And, the responsibility of keeping one's contact information is that of the Operator. In summation, buying a vender which truly has been abandoned is both legal and moral, as the Rights of the Location demand so. Nevertheless, if an Operator believes that he should not buy an abandoned machine, come Hell or High Water, then he shouldn't, as he must feel that he is doing the right thing. Not waxing religious, but using a sermon to which I paid attention many years ago: "On Judgement Day we'll all be asked if we believe that what we did was correct and good. The Doors will be opened wide for all of us who do." This was an interesting topic to me back them, as I realized that not everyone has the same understanding of all situations, and that we'd be accountable according to our understanding. I try not to judge those who do not agree with me. And, I hope that those who do not agree with me believe similarly. However, knowing that this is not always going to be, I have my belief and my understanding, to fall back upon when the situation requires it.
  2. Abandoned machines - and - What to do with them. Laws vary from place to place, but generally they attempt to protect both parties. 1. If the machine was a "Hot Location" / left without knowledge or permission of the Location, then it is the least protected as the Location has no responsibility to allow it's floor space to be obstructed, nor to be used rent free. Generally, their maximum responsibility in my state is to look for contact information, then call the offending Operator to ask them to pickup the machine. They may state something as being considerate enough to allow for the machine to be claimed within three days, for example, or simply to tell the Operator that they are placing the machine near the dumpster, etc. 2. If the machine was a "Verbal Location" / left with an acknowledgement of someone at the location. The Vendor, or Operator, has only morality to depend upon, as the law provides protection best when "it's in writing". Plus, whomever that gave permission, in today's transient society, may soon no longer be there. 3. If the machine was a "Contractual Location" / left with a written contract. The terms define the "rights" of the Location and of the Operator. In my state, a vender, even with a written contract, unless otherwise stated, is abandoned after one year without being serviced. A Location must attempt to contact the Vendor, even if no contact information is available. However, simply by sticking their head outdoors and calling "Hey Candyman", or something similar, the Location is then exonerated. My first vender was an Oak 6" (small globe} Acorn. I was in a gas station in NC, and I asked the owner about what looked to be an abandoned vender. He said "It ain't mine! Somebody left it here over five years ago, and ain't come back yet!" I told him about abandonment, assuring him that he actually was the owner. Morally, he was uncomfortable about selling it until I offered to to pay him a very fair price and to give him a "Letter of Promise" assuring him that if the owner ever did return to claim it, that he could have it back. ... I was never notified, and we've had the same phone number since before we started vending in 1985. Currently, two Vista Cabinet machines are waiting for me to buy them from the Location. The Location Owner, a personal friend of mine, tried to get those two machines on the same stand picked up last year, then told me to come back after Spring to see if they're still there. If they are, I'll buy them. There are two sides to every coin, and to most disagreements. The Operator should be protected, and the Location should also be protected. When both of their interests conflict, law and morality must be taken into consideration as the Operator should not unreasonably have his property removed or taken, and the Location should not unreasonably be expected to store a machine, which hasn't been serviced* for a year. *( ... not cleaned, not filled, no commission paid, and occasionally even with ants in the globe.) When young, a Millionaire once told me to "Never throw-away that which you could give away!", then he followed with "First, try to sell something before determining to give-it-away." I knew him to be kind, compassionate and wise. My advice to anyone about abandoned machines is to both stay within the law, and to stay within the bounds of morality.
  3. Any vender can be mounted onto or next to any free standing Sticker Machine. It could require a mounting plate to be added under the Sticker Machine, or Brackets to be attached to the sides (as sold by NW & A&A). But, with mechanical skills, a little wherewithal and determination, most tasks may be accomplished.
  4. Yes. Actionmatic sells them: http://actionmatic.com/toy-filled-capsules/empty-capsules.html However, they also have their own short-fallings. Those which we bought several years ago were poly-styrene, and they would sometimes fall apart. When those which fell apart hit a hard surface, the "male" parts of the fastening system frequently would break off, rendering them useless. Also, they were relatively expensive. However, this problem is easy to overcome, if plastic glue were to be applied to the contacts before snapping together. (In the long-haul, it may be less expensive to get rid of that vender.)
  5. A&A machines are usually about 15% less expensive than the quality Oak and Northwestern machines which they copied. We'd gotten caught in the "savings" when we initially begun vending 1/1/1985, and we purchased from them a wide variety of small, bulk venders, and a number of the A&A copies of the NW80s. Over-all, we've regretted every cent that we spent on A&A machines. We've learned that for the money, the Oak Vista Cabinet machine is the best versatile small bulk vender and that it is the least damaged of all small bulk venders due to it's design. The A&A copies of the NW80s, proved to be a poor investment as not only it the lid more cheaply made, the panels are thinner, engineering is less, and the heart of the machine (the coin mechanism) is not long lasting as that of the Northwestern 80. We'd purchased 30 of those poor quality A&A 2' Capsule Venders, and within less than 2 years their A&A coin mechanisms started falling apart; since, we've replaced all of their junk mechanisms with the long lasting, quality Northwestern 80 mechanisms. ... If we had just known the differences in buying quality from the start, we'd saved ourselves from much grief, and saved a lot of money in the long haul! We've not totally quit buying from A&A, as "it is foolish to cut your nose off to spite your face", but we do not buy their machines, nor their parts. There's not much that we like about A&A, except for their wider variety of superballs. Even then, Cardinal and Rhode Island Novelty, and occasionally Blue Bar, are our first "go to" companies. For machines, our choice is the Oak Vista Cabinet for bulk venders, the Northwestern 80 for 2' Capsule and 49mm superball vending, and the Northwestern 80 Sticker / Temp. Tattoo Machine for our Flat Vending.
  6. Many years ago on a different, now defunct, bulk vending site, I listened to many vendors who were vending Flat items, as Stickers and Temporary Tattoos. After reading the various success stories, we bought our first Sticker Machines ... several old well used Steiner Machines. After spiffing them up, and buying several different Temporary Tattoos, we were "in business". The various "success stories" were truthful, and we did well. A couple of years ago, I began considering selling my World Banknote Collection (( A bunch of low value banknotes from many different places. )) At first, I culled many of my duplicates to "see how it would go". They were a hit. Because I'd previously seldom bought any WBNs for more than twenty-five cents each, I began vending them for fifty cents each. Since, we've had numerous machines to "Empty", and sometimes the locations would call to say that they were either sold out or just empty. After my duplicates were close to being sold out, I found eBay sellers and a few dealers who gave me prices from 5 Cents to 25 Cents each; initially the average price per WBN was about 15 to 17 1/2 Cents each in quantity. Now WBNs ((World Banknotes)) have gone to just over a Quarter each, so we're about to increase our prices to 75 Cents each. If any vendors wants to try this, the material is readily available on eBay, and I'd freely give additional sources if wanted. Sources for folders are: A&A (not the best quality folders) SSM in Tempe, AZ (good quality white folders) and VenDynamics in CA (excellent quality colorful themed folders ... for just about a Penny more, with a possibility for more repeat buyers) Sources for WBNs are: Bob Butler (me) / bobbutler1@verizon.net NumisWorld2 on eBay/ Eric Hall Educational Coin on the Internet Plus whatever other sources that you may find. My recommendation is to vend only genuine World Banknotes, never copies, reproductions, Chinese Coupons, HBNs, nor Novelty Notes. Good Luck. (( I'm 68 and am offering my (Va. and N.C.) Bulk Vending Business for sale.)) ... but that's for another topic!
  7. I spoke with Craig of Brand Vending of Scottsdale, AZ, today: Craig stated that Brand is no longer in the Sticker Machine business. He said that they have a few dozens of the 4 column machines yet, which they'll eventually sell, but that they won't be offering Sticker Machine anytime in the near future.
  8. Honor boxes will not work where the people have no honor. Today's American Society is one heavily of dependence, it takes self respect from the recipients, and creates one of entitlement. People without self respect do not understand the principal of honor.
  9. While eating in restaurants offering buffets as we vendors occasionally do, I've run across several fat Welfare looking sows, who I personally saw filling their purses with numerous pieces of fried chicken, which they has generously wrapped in nice restaurant napkins. Each time, I've gone to the manager stating what I saw and informing them that I'd be willing to go to court to testify, as it makes me so mad. Two were kicked out, and one paid for the extrra chicken. But the excuses are always the same, "I didn't know!" and "That was just leftovers from what I didn't eat" ... I guess not, because that woman had eaten twice, then on a third trip loaded her plate with, perhaps 8 or 9 delicious Southern Fried Chicken which she wrapped with several nice large restaurant napkins each. I don't like a thief!
  10. Yours is usually a good policy. I tell my stores that they may do the same, then get it from me when we're there for the next service date. However, I tell them to tell their customers that the "mean old man who has the machines will not allow me to refund the same person twice". This almost always works, as the locations know me and trust me, and because I try to carefully pick my locations. i.e. I believe that I can trust all of my locations.Tonight was one of those times when the store did not believe the customer, and told me so. The "customer" raised several red flags: Saying that she'd just come from Church. I've always thought that if a person had to tell you "they had God on their side" ... that He probably wasn't. She said that she continued to pump between $5 and $6 into the machines, not once stopping to ask why she wasn't receiving anything. It's highly unusual for the average person to be carrying around 20 to 24 quarters in their pocket, She told me that she needed money for transportation home. If this was so, she wouldn't have spent it foolishly. Then, after I'd intimated that I'd check the "counters" and compare them to the coins in the machines, she told me where to put the coins. This was because she'd realized that she'd been caught. If there was any doubt at all, I'd have given the money, too. But, there was no doubt. I won't give money, nor anything else to a liar, drug user, someone who just won't work, etc. Sure, I know that by the benevolence of the US Gov't. we all have to do those things via our taxation; but I won't voluntarily do it when there's no question of them trying to bilk me; nor should anyone else.
  11. This is a follow up to "Your machine owes me $5 or $6!" The Chinese restaurant where this occurred is one of our best accounts, and the fact that we have an Advance 8 Select Sticker Machine and a rack with a NW-80ST in there made me to go there and try to see what, if anything, has really happened. It'd just been serviced 3 days ago, so when I opened the NW-80ST I took out $5 to test each individual coin mechanism. Hallelujah, they all worked perfectly ... and the owner watched, then said again: "She was liar". None of our sticker machines have working "counters" on them, but the customer did not need to know that. And because each mechanism worked like new, I concur that the young woman was a liar. Having to have all ten mechanisms to fail for one person and then work for the next are 2,088:1, at least. Isn't it great being a Vending Machine Operator!? ... you get to meet some very interesting people.
  12. Ring - ring - ring: "Hello Butler's", Your machine owes me $5 or $6! Please tell me more. I'm in the Chinese restaurant here, and I just lost $5 or $6 in your machines. How did you go about losing that much money without first telling the store that the machine didn't work? Well, I put money in several of the machines and none of them worked, so I tried it again thinking that some of them would work. Said in a very polite manner: Ma'am what do you want me to do? Well, I just came from Church ( The building next door.), and I need to have money to get home. Again: Ma'am what do you want me to do? I can possibly come there in a few hours, but I am home with the flu. It won't be very hard to check out the machines, because I can compare the "counter" to the amount of money in the machine. What shall I do? You can cram the money up your butt! Sound of phone being slammed down, then phone company recording coming on. I redialed the restaurant, and the owner said in fairly good English, "I think she is lying." I'm going to try to go there tonight to check out each vender.
  13. There is seemingly some kind business of relationship between Superior and Eagle.
  14. Most of their parts are usually interchangeable, however their panels aren't interchangeable, as they are slightly different thicknesses. i.e. It's too hard to use an Oak vista panel in an Eagle, and using an Eagle panel in an Oak Vista doesn't allow for it to be held in securely. If you order something from Eagle <Superior Supply> try their risers, too. I use them in most of my Oak Vistas because they offer more versitility to the vending of assorted product. Bob
  15. The way to stay even, or to be able to keep the same income as that which you've usually had in good times, can be accomplished by putting out more venders. Here's the formula to use to determine how many more venders needed to be placed in order to just keep your income as it was during the past good times. If you have a mix of denominations, putting out additional machines should be proportionately the same mix to make the formula work. 100 (Representing 100% of the machines which you have on location.) less the Rate of Loss (expressed as a whole number) then divided by 100 = The Percent of Increase needed to keep the same income as that which you've usually had in good times. Multiply the number of machines presently on line by the percentage derrived to determine the total number of machines needed to maintain the income of the good times before the drop in sales. Examples: 100% - 10% = 90% Then divide 90% into 100%, which equals 111%. As you already have 100%, your rate of increase, to stay even with the past good times, must be 11%. 100% - 25% = 75% Then divide 75% into 100%, which equals 133%. As you already have 100%, your rate of increase, to stay even with the past good times, must be 33%. 100% - 50% = 50% Then divide 50% into 100%, which equals 200%. As you already have 100%, your rate of increase, to stay even with the past good times, must be 100%, or double your current inventory.
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