I have read a lot of threads on here. After looking at the description of the items on eBay, the seller describes them as barely used, only on location for a couple of months, lol. My plan now is to return them. Honestly, these things are junk. Even if they were in great condition I would have a hard time placing these. A lot of people on this forum swear by these machines and have 100+ of them on their routes, if you find the right place for them, I am sure it would be fine. In either case, I am going to take advantage of eBay returns and send these back.