mission vending Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA Any comments from the Aussie's around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandJGroup Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Two key statements dont trust your politicians. Don't ever give up your freedom.made my stomach turn watching those guns being destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Jessica* Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 All I can say is I'm glad I live in the good Ol' USA, where at least I have my 2nd amendment rights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reel Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Why do you need guns, most of us here look at you Americans and your fetish for guns is somewhat crazy, the old west and John Wayne has long gone. Look at the number of innocent people that get murdered in your country every year surely thats enough to suggest you need some form of gun control there, i can understand needing a gun if your a farmer, hunter or a gun club member then thats a totally different thing. What i cannot understand if your none of the above and you live in a city or the suburbs why do you need a gun, i look at all those young kids that were recently murdered and the poor families that were scarred by this and lives forever ruined and all your interested in is second amemdment rights, would you feel the same if its your innocent child was killed by some crazy moron?. Whats killing freedom is politically correct speak, pandering to minority groups, changing rules to foster certain religions who move to your country and mine and who refuse to conform to western society. Changing christmas greetings to happy holidays which is a load of garbage, generally watering down our western society because we are all so scared we might offend some of these arses that relocate to your country and mine. I think these things and i can go on and on and provide many more examples of this madness which i feel is far more of a concern than worrying about running around carrying your gun and ammo!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderJerry Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 "Why do you need guns, most of us here look at you Americans and your fetish for guns is somewhat crazy, the old west and John Wayne has long gone..." First, please look at this: Share of Homes With Guns Shows 4-Decade Decline All the stories about people rushing out to buy guns after recent mass shootings may give the impression that more Americans have guns at home. Yet a survey reveals that the percentage of U.S. homes with a gun has been in steady decline over the past four decades, with a surprisingly sharp drop in the South and Western mountain states. Whereas an average of 50 percent of households owned a gun in the 1970s, that number declined to 35 percent in the 2000s, with 34 percent of households reporting gun ownership in 2012, notes the NY Times. And second, here is something else to consider, the case of a single city split by an international border. 80% of El Paso is hispanic, 90% of Juarez is hispanic. Almost all of the hispanic's have first or second degree relatives on 'the other side'. This is a unique case where citizens of both cities share the same DNA, breathe the same air, eat the same food, share the same beliefs and customs. In El Paso, it is legal to carry your own firearm almost anywhere..in Juarez, if you are caught owning a gun you go to jail. Now cogitate a little on these statistics: 2010 population in El Paso, TX: 649.000 2010 homicides in El Paso, TX: 5 2010 homicide rate in El Paso, TX: 0.8 per 100.000 people 2010 population in Ciudad Juárez, MX: 1.321.000 2010 homicides in Ciudad Juárez, MX: 3.100 2010 homicide rate in Ciudad Juárez, MX: 234.7 per 100.000 people This is another example (one of many throughout history) of what can happen when government becomes corrupt from top to bottom and the fabric (police and courts) of civil society breaks down. It can happen damn fast and with little warning for those who don't know what to look for...and I think is what motivates most of the gun owners here in the states. Corruption is like cancer, if not cuaght early it spreads and spreads until it becomes very lethal. Every year or two in El Paso the FBI arrests a county commissioner, local Judge and or a school board fatcat for some kind of bribery / kickback scheme and in doing so keeps the overall community's 'cancer of corruption' controlled before it spreads. ****This post is dedicated to the memory of 70 year old 'Grandpa J', Juan Garcia Sr., who was beaten to death last Thanksgiving day in Juarez by the police.**** Senor Garcia was the owner of 3 Garcias Restaurant here in town, and we have had equipment in his place for the past 16 years. After pulling him over, they apparently found the $500 US cash he was taking to his sister (as he did every year), to help with the upcoming holiday expenses. He had called his daughter that he was being pulled over 'for another bribe'. That was the last they heard of him, the family found his car 2 days later and then found him laying in a ditch...but still barely alive. They rushed him across the border (this happens to US citizens so often Customs has a special 'bleeder protocol' to get the injured through the crowded border crossing and into the ambulance quickly). But he died of brain swelling the next day here at University Medical Center (at least by making it back here to the states the family didn't have to make multiple trips and pay many bribes to numerous officials in Juarez just to get his body back). My wife and I had seen him just a couple of weeks earlier, the last time I saw him he was sitting in a booth with one of his young grand-daughters on his lap helping her open some capsules I had given her. As for us, we are staying put here in 'gunsville', no more visits across the border for us...darn shame, it used to be great fun. "Why do you need guns, most of us here look at you Americans and your fetish for guns is somewhat crazy, the old west and John Wayne has long gone..." First, please look at this: Share of Homes With Guns Shows 4-Decade Decline All the stories about people rushing out to buy guns after recent mass shootings may give the impression that more Americans have guns at home. Yet a survey reveals that the percentage of U.S. homes with a gun has been in steady decline over the past four decades, with a surprisingly sharp drop in the South and Western mountain states. Whereas an average of 50 percent of households owned a gun in the 1970s, that number declined to 35 percent in the 2000s, with 34 percent of households reporting gun ownership in 2012, notes the NY Times. And second, here is something else to consider, the case of a single city split by an international border. 80% of El Paso is hispanic, 90% of Juarez is hispanic. Almost all of the hispanic's have first or second degree relatives on 'the other side'. This is a unique case where citizens of both cities share the same DNA, breathe the same air, eat the same food, share the same beliefs and customs. In El Paso, it is legal to carry your own firearm almost anywhere..in Juarez, if you are caught owning a gun you go to jail. Now cogitate a little on these statistics: 2010 population in El Paso, TX: 649.000 2010 homicides in El Paso, TX: 5 2010 homicide rate in El Paso, TX: 0.8 per 100.000 people 2010 population in Ciudad Juárez, MX: 1.321.000 2010 homicides in Ciudad Juárez, MX: 3.100 2010 homicide rate in Ciudad Juárez, MX: 234.7 per 100.000 people This is another example (one of many throughout history) of what can happen when government becomes corrupt from top to bottom and the fabric (police and courts) of civil society breaks down. It can happen damn fast and with little warning for those who don't know what to look for...and I think is what motivates most of the gun owners here in the states. Corruption is like cancer, if not cuaght early it spreads and spreads until it becomes very lethal. Every year or two in El Paso the FBI arrests a county commissioner, local Judge and or a school board fatcat for some kind of bribery / kickback scheme and in doing so keeps the overall community's 'cancer of corruption' controlled before it spreads. ****This post is dedicated to the memory of 70 year old 'Grandpa J', Juan Garcia Sr., who was beaten to death last Thanksgiving day in Juarez by the police.**** Senor Garcia was the owner of 3 Garcias Restaurant here in town, and we have had equipment in his place for the past 16 years. After pulling him over, they apparently found the $500 US cash he was taking to his sister (as he did every year), to help with the upcoming holiday expenses. He had called his daughter that he was being pulled over 'for another bribe'. That was the last they heard of him, the family found his car 2 days later and then found him laying in a ditch...but still barely alive. They rushed him across the border (this happens to US citizens so often Customs has a special 'bleeder protocol' to get the injured through the crowded border crossing and into the ambulance quickly). But he died of brain swelling the next day here at University Medical Center (at least by making it back here to the states the family didn't have to make multiple trips and pay many bribes to numerous officials in Juarez just to get his body back). My wife and I had seen him just a couple of weeks earlier, the last time I saw him he was sitting in a booth with one of his young grand-daughters on his lap helping her open some capsules I had given her. As for us, we are staying put here in 'gunsville', no more visits across the border for us...darn shame, it used to be great fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderJerry Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Sorry for the double post...this crack software was telling me 'your post is empty' when I was trying to do a little edit...so I cut n pasted from the edit box down to where my 'empty' post was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission vending Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Why do you need guns, most of us here look at you Americans and your fetish for guns is somewhat crazy, the old west and John Wayne has long gone. Look at the number of innocent people that get murdered in your country every year surely thats enough to suggest you need some form of gun control there, i can understand needing a gun if your a farmer, hunter or a gun club member then thats a totally different thing. What i cannot understand if your none of the above and you live in a city or the suburbs why do you need a gun, i look at all those young kids that were recently murdered and the poor families that were scarred by this and lives forever ruined and all your interested in is second amemdment rights, would you feel the same if its your innocent child was killed by some crazy moron?. Whats killing freedom is politically correct speak, pandering to minority groups, changing rules to foster certain religions who move to your country and mine and who refuse to conform to western society. Changing christmas greetings to happy holidays which is a load of garbage, generally watering down our western society because we are all so scared we might offend some of these arses that relocate to your country and mine. I think these things and i can go on and on and provide many more examples of this madness which i feel is far more of a concern than worrying about running around carrying your gun and ammo!. I am a first generation American, both of my parents are German, mom got to the U.S.A. just a few weeks before I was born in Alabama. My family suffered tremendously at the hands of the Nazi's. (We are not Jews BTW) My grandfather (fathers side) was one of 11 children going into WWII. He and a sister were the only one to survive the war. Two brothers were summarily executed on the front steps of the family home for refusing to "enlist" in the German army when they came through the town looking for cannon fodder for their war machine. Another allowed himself to be drafted rather than getting shot, he died in Belgium in early 1943. On my mom's side, her father was conscripted into the army and was captured when the Russians broke out of Stalingrad and then froze or starved to death in a Russian POW camp. The rest died in a combination of the allied bombing raids on civilian populations or from illness brought on by poor sanitation and nutrition from the damage caused by the raids. In the end it may not have mattered because the German people were so beaten down by the economic problems they experienced after WWI that they would have followed anyone that promised them a better life but I wonder if the civilian population had been able to defend itself against their government if somehow things would have turned out differently once they realized what was going on. Throughout history there are many more examples of gov't abusing its power and subjecting its citizens to torture and death without due process of law. That's why I ardently support the second amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reel Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I am sorry to hear your story, tough and sad for sure, however doesnt it mean you need to be carrying a gun because of what happened more than 50 years ago, dont you think its time you moved on?. So because of what happened to your family more than 50 years ago gives you the right and need to carry a gun, i am sorry but i think this is just madness using what happened all those years ago as an excuse to carry a gun now. What you were referring to whilst tragic it was an actual war!. I wonder if its your family thats been directly affected by these recent tragic shootings of innocent lives and in particular young children would you and others feel the same way today. So its fine for madmen to run out and buy weapons to go on shooting sprees and kill innocent people, destroy families and scar others forever thats all just fine as long as you can keep your second amendment and carry your gun and ammo, i guess a life means very little to you as long as you can carry your beloved weapon!. Your entitled to your opinion, however i think its short sighted and without a care or consideration for others who have lost their lives because of your countrymens fetish for weapons!. Whilst i say i am an Australian, i was in fact born on a very small beautifull island in the south pacific, my mum is part welsh ( from mutiny on the bounty fame) and part french ( new caledonia) and on my fathers side i am part german and part polynesian but the island i am from is a territory of Australia so offically i am an Australian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendy Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Unfortunately non Americans will never understand how precious our rights are. Throughout our history young men and women have freely given their lives to protect those rights and they're still doing so today. Where else in the world does that happen? As for your comment about the school tragedy in Connecticut, I think you are right. it has changed the mindset of people here. Only instead of shying away from going ownership, more Americans are embracing it. This has been proven by the recent surge in gun sales. Gun makers are finding it hard to keep up with demand right now. I own firearms not for sport or because I'm a part of an organization. I exercise my right to own a firearm to protect my family. I'm sure in your country more people die from automobile accidents then gunshot wounds. is your government trying to pass laws that will band automobiles? after all why do you feel you need to own an automobile? cant you walk to where you need to go? Or ride a bicycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendy Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 And I'm guessing that your media doesn't report about the countless lives that we are saved by someone with a gun. more lives are saved each year by a responsible gun owner then taken by some whacko with a gun. but I'm sure you don't hear about all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I am sorry to hear your story, tough and sad for sure, however doesnt it mean you need to be carrying a gun because of what happened more than 50 years ago, dont you think its time you moved on?. So because of what happened to your family more than 50 years ago gives you the right and need to carry a gun, i am sorry but i think this is just madness using what happened all those years ago as an excuse to carry a gun now. What you were referring to whilst tragic it was an actual war!. I wonder if its your family thats been directly affected by these recent tragic shootings of innocent lives and in particular young children would you and others feel the same way today. So its fine for madmen to run out and buy weapons to go on shooting sprees and kill innocent people, destroy families and scar others forever thats all just fine as long as you can keep your second amendment and carry your gun and ammo, i guess a life means very little to you as long as you can carry your beloved weapon!. Your entitled to your opinion, however i think its short sighted and without a care or consideration for others who have lost their lives because of your countrymens fetish for weapons!. Whilst i say i am an Australian, i was in fact born on a very small beautifull island in the south pacific, my mum is part welsh ( from mutiny on the bounty fame) and part french ( new caledonia) and on my fathers side i am part german and part polynesian but the island i am from is a territory of Australia so offically i am an Australian. Wow Ron, Looks like you opened a can of worms this time. I don't know the situation in Australia very well but I can tell that up here we are in a war with illegal aliens constantly as they can just walk across the border, unlike Oz. I caught a couple of them helping themselves to about 2 grand worth of tools out of my garage two years ago - glad I had my Winchester that day. My folks, who are quite old, got ripped off last year by a crew of illegals that had been digging a ditch next door for a contractor - they weren't home at the time TG but the total loss exceeded 8K, they stole my dad's 22 and the State yanked the contractor's license for illegal hiring practices. You have to remember that the media here blows everything out of proportion. They love to report about some extremist who can't get enough weapons but the vast majority of the people up here are not like that at all. We've all got our share of nuts who do tragic things - as I recall, you guys had some whacko awhile back who decided to set the whole country on fire. The last thing I could tell you, is that a lot of us don't really trust the Federal Government as far as we could toss them. Ironically, that's probably what keeps them somewhat in line. It's not just this current generation, Americans have been this way from day one which is part of the reason we defend the 2nd Amendment. Ps. I heartily support the current "background check" initiative now before Congress - this should have been on the books long before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission vending Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 I am sorry to hear your story, tough and sad for sure, however doesnt it mean you need to be carrying a gun because of what happened more than 50 years ago, dont you think its time you moved on?. So because of what happened to your family more than 50 years ago gives you the right and need to carry a gun, i am sorry but i think this is just madness using what happened all those years ago as an excuse to carry a gun now. What you were referring to whilst tragic it was an actual war!. The last thing I could tell you, is that a lot of us don't really trust the Federal Government as far as we could toss them. Ironically, that's probably what keeps them somewhat in line. It's not just this current generation, Americans have been this way from day one which is part of the reason we defend the 2nd Amendment. Ps. I heartily support the current "background check" initiative now before Congress - this should have been on the books long before now. I used my personal family history as a example because I am very familiar with it. Not that I'm mad or upset, it is what it is and its my history. The history of civilization and mankind is littered with examples of men and governments that oppressed, tortured and killed their fellow man to gain control and power. From the Romans killing Christians to the medieval crusades, kings and warlords of the middle ages, slave traders of the 17th and 18th centuries,even in modern times, Stalin's gulags after WWII, "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia, the mass graves found in Iraq after Saddam Hussein was removed to name a few examples. Our country was founded on the principle THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL and that government should be limited in its powers because of the natural inclination of government and the people running it to seek additional control and power over its citizens. If our gov't did not, to some degree at least, fear and respect its citizens this inclination to seek additional power would be unchecked.That's why I support the second amendment. We live in a dangerous world, we take chances every day when we leave our homes and some lunatic with a gun is one of those risks we take and I'll take my chances in order to protect myself from oppressors, doesn't matter if its a individual or government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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