QBTCoin Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 I have a Dixie Narco 501E machine, made in 3rd quarter 1997, that currently has a logic coin changer. I need to replace the changer, are all S2D control boards MDB compatible?
AZVendor Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Yes the SIID board will allow a MDB coin mech and validator to be installed with a proper harness. I have this harness in stock if you need one. The cost is $25.00 plus $5.15 shipping. In addition, you will need a MDB coin mech and validator (you can't mix the interfaces). If you already have a late model Coinco validator or a late model 24V Mars validator installed, you will also need an interconnect harness that will connect the machine's MDB harness to the validator and the coin mech together. If your validator is not MDB compatible, then you will also have to change the validator. The Coinco MDB harness is $18.00 and the Mars MDB harness is $18.00. Let me know if you need them and I can get them out to you asap.
Mooman333 Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 I have a Dixie Narco 501E machine, made in 3rd quarter 1997, that currently has a logic coin changer. I need to replace the changer, are all S2D control boards MDB compatible? Yeah, and you can get the harness cheaper than above... google search all the time! You will need MDB changer and bill validator. http://www.vendingworld.com/vendingparts/harness/
QBTCoin Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 Thanks. I have a coinco vortex MDB changer and a Mag52BX I'm going to use
AZVendor Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 QBTCoin, Would you like me to send you the MDB harness for your SIID board?
Vendors Tech Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 I've got those S2D MDB harnesses for $15.75 plus $3.00 shipping case you're interested. :-)
QBTCoin Posted July 12, 2013 Author Posted July 12, 2013 Ok, got the harnesses changed and the coin changer and DBA installed in the machine, used the tube fill mode when inserting coins in the changer. The coin changer works, but the DBA does not. The bezel lights on the DBA flash, but the red light on the back of it is off. Is the vending machines control board disabling the DBA? Note that the exact change only light is not on. I have a Coinco vortex changer and a Mag52BX DBA.
AZVendor Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 If you have the lights on the front of the bezel flashing, then you should also have a red LED lit on the back as they go hand in hand. Have you tried 3 or 4 coin vends first? Sometimes that will convince the coin mech that it has sufficient change. How full are the hoppers on the Vortex coin mech? Can you pay change out of each hopper? If not then maybe the machine knows there is a coin mech problem and not enabling the validator. Do you have the validator plugged into the MDB harness from the machine, and then the coin mech plugged into the validator harness? I don't think you can do it any other way, but thought I'd ask. Do you know if the coin mech and validator are known good working units? There may be a problem in the validator.
Vendors Tech Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 Is then red light on the bill acceptor flashing at all, is it off completely, or is it steady? You need to have coins in the changer in order for the validator to enable. AZVendor: On a Coinco MAG bill acceptor, the green landing lights are always on even if the bill acceptor is not enabled. Some validators, like the MEI 2000, won't turn the green lights on unless the red light is on as well.
CajunCandy Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 I have a 501-T can I do the same to get away from the TRC 6000 and and use a 9302-GX, I already have a 24 volt Mars for validator along with the proper harness to connect to SIID board. I 'm just nervous to install and hurt some thing. mike
AZVendor Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 Mike, If you have an SIID board in a 501T, you can do MDB with it. If it's only SII, then you can't. You might have to upgrade the eprom in the SIID board depending on it's vintage. Any particular reason you want to move to MDB on this machine? You can do Coinco or Mars for coin mechs and validators without doing MDB. If you have the MDB harness from the board to the validator, then you won't hurt anything by plugging it in, but if the machine doesn't see the coin mech and validator then you need a new eprom. Remember that you can't mix Micromech and MDB together, so you will have to switch both parts together. PM me if you need any parts.
QBTCoin Posted July 13, 2013 Author Posted July 13, 2013 The hoppers in the changer are about half full. I manually loaded the coins using the changers fill mode instead of the one in the machine and I still get the same results. The DBA stacker motor cycles like normal, but it appears like its disabled by the machine. Both DBA and changer were known working pulls from a machine that was sold. The harnesses only fit one way and are pinned correctly
AZVendor Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 If you can, you should try another coin mech with change tubes and have another validator just in case. If that doesn't work then you may have a logic board issue with MDB. You might need to upgrade the eprom on the board.
cvending Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 We had a SIiD that would disable the validator much like this one sounds. We replaced the Vortex with a 3 tube Coinco mech and problem went away. I would replace coin mech. We tried to return mech to Pepsi since it was theirs and they did not want it.
Walta Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 First you could try the bill test mode nA in the test menu. Next fill all the coin tubes to the top then make a vend that will send one of each coin to the cash box only then try a bill. Did you power down the machine before changing parts? Walta
Vendors Tech Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Definitely would get rid of that Vortex whatever you do. :-) There are far better changers out there.
moondog Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Definitely would get rid of that Vortex whatever you do. :-) There are far better changers out there. What do you recommend Alden? I've got a Vortex I "inherited" - not real impressed with it.
AZVendor Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 The Vortex was designed to be used in high volume locations to avoid change starvation and it's hopper design was a way to not need more than one tube of any denomination of coin. You can replace it with any MDB coin mech - Coinco 9302GX and Mars TRC6512 are my favorites. If you need high coin capacity then you can use a Mars VN4000 4 tube, a Coinco 4 tube (not a great design), a Conlux 5 tube or move up to the Mars CF7512 6 tube or the Coinco Guardian 6 tube.
Vendors Tech Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 I would recommend a TRC-6512 if you want a 3 tube coin changer, and an MEI CF-7512 or a Coinco Guardian 6000XL if you want a higher capacity coin changer. The Coinco 9302-GX is okay, but it is not field tunable, which give you a huge advantage with the TRC-6512 because it is. None of the new changers, the 7512 or the 6000XL are field tunable though. The VN-4510 or other VN4000 series models are a great coin changer, but they are fading as parts are being discontinued. They only made that changer for a couple of years just to compete with Coinco until they could get something else made.
QBTCoin Posted July 16, 2013 Author Posted July 16, 2013 Update: problem solved I installed a Conlux 5 tube changer, loaded it using the fill mode, now the DBA is enabled and working as normal. The vortex changer works fine in a DN5591, but doesn't work in the machine with the S2D board. Update: problem solved I installed a Conlux 5 tube changer, loaded it using the fill mode, now the DBA is enabled and working as normal. The vortex changer works fine in a DN5591, but doesn't work in the machine with the S2D board.
Mooman333 Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 I have a 501-T can I do the same to get away from the TRC 6000 and and use a 9302-GX, I already have a 24 volt Mars for validator along with the proper harness to connect to SIID board. I 'm just nervous to install and hurt some thing. mike Mike, If you have an SIID board in a 501T, you can do MDB with it. If it's only SII, then you can't. You might have to upgrade the eprom in the SIID board depending on it's vintage. Any particular reason you want to move to MDB on this machine? You can do Coinco or Mars for coin mechs and validators without doing MDB. If you have the MDB harness from the board to the validator, then you won't hurt anything by plugging it in, but if the machine doesn't see the coin mech and validator then you need a new eprom. Remember that you can't mix Micromech and MDB together, so you will have to switch both parts together. PM me if you need any parts. You CAN use MDB on a S2 board. I have a 501-T with an s2 board running a Conlux 5 and a mars 2500. You just need to buy the appropriate harness for an s2->MDB, as it is a different plug than that of an S2D.
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