LouReed101 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Does anybody use validators that recycle 1's or 5's for change? Before I drop $500 on one I'd like to hear other vendor's experience with them. Also, does anybody know if a VN27C2R will fit in a Bev-Max 4 with regards to the bezel. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yes the VN2700 with a recycler will fit in the Bev 4. While I haven't had experience with this recycler, whatever you do, don't get a Currenza recycler. They don't usually last a year without problems. The Currenza is a different design so don't assume it's problems mean that Mars or Coinco have the same problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouReed101 Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 That's interesting because the Bevmax came with a Currenza validator & mech. I'm not wild about either one which I was trying to get some feedback about the Mars recycler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission vending Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I have not put in a recycler yet, a CC reader is cheaper and I think does more to increase sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vavendor Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 We have about 35 mars recyclers out in the field right now and have had tremendous success with them. We have found that it completely eliminates the problem of your coin mech running out of change when you accept $5 and $10 bills. We only put them in our accounts where we have $2 20 oz bottles and in our Ice cream machines. They have to be in machines with high price items in order to be effective. We have found in our area that our customers are more willing to put $5 and $10 bills into a machine than they are credit cards. There are occasional jams as with any bill acceptor, but they are more reliable than I expected them to be. They have raised sales 15 to 20 percent so far in the machines we installed them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris1953 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Does anybody use validators that recycle 1's or 5's for change? Before I drop $500 on one I'd like to hear other vendor's experience with them. Also, does anybody know if a VN27C2R will fit in a Bev-Max 4 with regards to the bezel. Thanks. Yes it will fit the BevMax...... Won't fit in the Royal Glasfront....... I set them up to recycle 5's and then you can take 20's. Get a changer to payout gold dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouReed101 Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 Thanks to all who replied. I would like to add a cc reader to this machine, but I only have 3 or 4 machines in total that I think would justify having a cc reader. I can't imagine it would be worth the expense for so few machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 If you're willing to spend $500 for a recycler, why not spend approx. $300 and get the same, or possible higher, sales lift with a card reader? There is an activation fee, a monthly fee and transaction fees with the card reader, but you will find it better accepted by customers, easier for them to use and no jammed recyclers for you to deal with. If your prices are high enough that customers are likely to use $10's and $20's, and your validator doesn't currently accept more than a $5, then this is a way to avoid upgrading the validator and getting a sales lift, too. While most of my customers tell me they average about 20% higher sales with cards, some of my client's machines have up to 75% card sales due to the age of the customer - think Apple Store. While working on a machine there that ultimately ended up having a bad logic board, I removed the card reader for bench testing. When I returned a couple of days later I saw 3 people walk up to the machine and turn away because the card reader wasn't there. I checked the machine and there was only about $5 in the machine, a machine that normally does $150 a week - almost all in card sales. The kids told me how glad they were that I put the card reader back in because they didn't carry any cash. Obviously this is an extreme case, but I'll admit I was shocked at the near 100% adoption of the people that worked there. You will find a good adoption rate too, at your locations as your customers become dependent on the card reader. You will also find a very high card usage rate in public or transient locations such as hotels. I think the success of card readers is really hurting the adoption of bill recyclers by vending operators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouReed101 Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 I didn't think it could possibly be cost effective to go with credit card acceptance for only 2 machines. Who is providing the service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The most economical provider I have seen is USA Technologies. Others on the forum might have other opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission vending Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I didn't think it could possibly be cost effective to go with credit card acceptance for only 2 machines. Who is providing the service? Your processing costs are based on the unit itself and a % of the transaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Regarding the bevmax, I would be surprised if you can put a recycler AND a credit card reader in a bevmax at the same time. I have installed a credit card reader at one location simply to keep the smaller vendors out of my location. I have also done many upgrades/repairs which has resulted in greater customer convenience and satisfaction. I don't think I would ever choose a recycler over a card reader but that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Mike Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 We run both Currenza and Mars recyclers. The Curennza's were pretty hit or miss when they were new tech, but we have not had much of any problems with them in a while now. The Mars are a PITA to set up imho but seem to work well, the biggest issue I have seen consistently with them is either not fully extracting a bill to pay back, or trying to stack the wrong denomination in the recycler. We have our soda vendors provided by Pepsi and Coke, along with replacement parts, so we generally run what they give us. I'll have to check, but I think you could get a Mars recycler into a Bevmax, you might have to use one of the spacers that comes with them to get it to sit back far enough to clear the display though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randee01 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 My experience with the same model is terrible. I have two in an office setting that will last a month before failing. Usually just needs a reset or cleaning. The third has been repaired three times since early September. Today I took it out of service permanently - replaced with a VN2500 series. Twice this week it had one partially stacked $1 bill. Non are as reliable as a plain dollar bill validator. Is there a better model available? Or does anyone know who can repair them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 My experience with the same model is terrible. I have two in an office setting that will last a month before failing. Usually just needs a reset or cleaning. The third has been repaired three times since early September. Today I took it out of service permanently - replaced with a VN2500 series. Twice this week it had one partially stacked $1 bill. Non are as reliable as a plain dollar bill validator. Is there a better model available? Or does anyone know who can repair them? Welcome to the forum. You do realize that you are resurrecting a two year old thread, don't you? Because of that, and without reading the entire thread again, I can only assume you're referring to recyclers. You should really start your own thread to keep things current. All recyclers have been found to be unreliable including the Mars units. Mars repair depots have struggled for a long time trying to figure out how to keep them working properly and they just aren't supported well enough by Mars to allow the repair depots to get them working dependably in the long term. I truly believe that the best use of your investing dollars are into credit card readers instead of recyclers. Card readers are more affordable than ever and are becoming almost a standard in larger accounts - and they are much more reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randee01 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Thank you! No - did not know the thread was so old. It does have a credit card reader but only gets about 10% use. Guess the only option is to trash the recycler. Maybe add an extra changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 What do you mean by adding an extra changer? Do you mean a bill changer? Why do that; unless you stock it with dollar coins, most of the change from it will leave the building. If you have a problem with customers wanting to use high value bills then you could put a 5 or 6 tube changer in the machine and a bill validator that will accept up to $20 bills and your problem will be solved. I like the dollar coins in the bill changer idea but most vendors don't take the time to source the coins from a bank. The great thing about dollar coins is more of them will be put in your machines than would be quarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randee01 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Thats a great idea - this one has a CM 5G and probably has a $1 tube. Didn't want to spend extra money on a stand alone changer - the manager had suggested it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT1963 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 As someone who has experience with 1000's of the MEI and Currenza recycler units, I would recommend to run very far from the currenza units. As for the MEI, when you have a good one they are wonderful and strong. When they are bad, while not as awful as the currenza, they are bad. I don't use them, won't use them until they get the kinks out. By the time they get it right CC readers, 6 tube coin mechs, Google pay, Apple Pay, payrange and a whole host of cashless systems will be dominating the market. IMHO right now I would go with val, 6 tube with 2 $1 tubes, 2 quarter tubes, 1 dime, 1 nickel and a USAT CC system with an MEI bezel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randee01 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Thanks! Thats what I'll do! Those recyclers are killing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouReed101 Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Can't believe it's 2 years since that post. I did spend the $500 and found a back-up a few weeks later for $375. I've had each unit serviced once in that time. They've worked out great for me once I stopped accepting 20's. Sales increased easily 20% and no more out of change problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randee01 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Who repairs your validators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 You can send them to me if you need any repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randee01 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 What is your address? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allprovending Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 If you need any Recyclers or cc readers. I have about 65 brand new still in boxes. They are MEI. Send me a IM if interested. I'll give you a better deal then 500.00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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