snack dude Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I would not be asking this if I did not know this guy for the last 15 years, So you can save the comments about pepsi owning the machine and so on because we already know that, Now on to the question. Where my friend works has a pepsi royal glassfront machine that has been sitting in a storage room for over a year. It originally quit working and they call pepsi repair who never showed up after two months of calling, They then called and told pepsi to come get the machine because they got a new vendor and they did not want the machine anymore. After about a month of calling they rolled into a storage room (Its on wheels). After numerous phone calls and a year later my friend calls me and says if you come get it you can have it, My boss wants it out of here and told pepsi they we are going to set it by the dumpster next week. So I am thinking that I can go get it, call pepsi tell them I have it and go from there, ( they obviously dont want it), Problem is it has a eletronic lock and I think after looking at it thatthe power supply or board or something in the machine is fried, because I have tested the voltage all the way into the machine from the back and I have 115 to the compressor and all the way until the cord disappears up into the machine, Is there a way to drill out the electronic lock without damaging the door? There is a little eye that you would press the button of the remote next to and the door would open, But I am thinking that is not where the actual lock is. Any technical help is appreciated, Sorry for the long explanation just wanted you to know everything I know Snack Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonkw Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Good luck. I've had an electronic lock fail on me on a HVV and I got Pepsi to come in with a electric saw and saw the whole thing out. It was a complete mess and the whole side plate on the door needed to be replaced afterwards. There's some chance that some third party vendors in the area might have a key that could open it for you but you'd have to ask and it'll be a trial and error process. The little eye you are talking about is where the reflector is, which transports the signal to the lock itself for it to open. I'm not too familiar with the Pepsi Royal glassfronts, but I'd guess the lock is not where the reflector is. It might be close by, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I would go ahead and pick it up and as you said, call Pepsi and let them know you have it, even send them a certified letter to make it official. If they don't come for it or tell you it's yours to keep then contact our member rmorris via a PM for help with getting into the machine. He worked for Pepsi and has some tricks to use that won't require the door to be cut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Nice machine, but you've got a mountain to climb to get it working again and it'll still belong to Pepsi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Someone will need to message you regarding this matter IF they know what to do. This is the sort of matter that doesn't belong on the forum for all to see. As AZVendor said, rmorris can help with this. That's a very good machine, assuming it is a royal vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchligVend Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 FYI .....It is fairly easy to get one of these open! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvending Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 If it was on a full service route of Pepsi, it will have Pepsi's electronic key programmed into it. I know is has been a problem getting Pepsi to respond, but thee service dept will have a battery operate unit that will plug into a port near the delivery door and they can open it (if you can get them to respond). Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkhusker Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Pepsi here says they have know way to get into one apart from the key matched to the lock, without damaging the machine. I've had a Royal 500 fail to open but before we broke in, we pushed out the plastic in the eye hole and used a long something or other to move some wires from blocking the sensor at the back of the lock box. Thankfully it was that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris1953 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 That Royal is going to be a bear,,,,,, Bevmax can be opened easy. On the royal the tritech is on a hinged bracket flush mounted against the coin mech. It is a feat I wouldn't want to do. Good luck.... It won't be easy..... Cutting off the hinge won't work either.... The Battery pack mentioned is only to provide power to the lock incase there isn't a place to plug it in. You still have to have the key fob. If it is a full service machine Pepsi will have the key. If it is a loaner then they will have it. Personally I think you will damage it considerably. If you had one to compare to a person might be able to drill a hole in the theft plate on the side with a drill large enough to get a saw saw into and the cut down the opening. Cutting that bolt off is the key but there isn't a lot of room between the cabinet and the door. Most likely you will end up cutting seal or in worst case scenario wires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snack dude Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 Thanks to all for the comments or suggestions, New development, They found the remote thingy, Now if I can just get power to the lock mech, Anyone? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkhusker Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Sorry if this sounds sarcastic but... Plug the machine in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvending Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 If it is a TriTeq lock, Pepsi should have a battery powered unit that plugs into a RCA jack on the machine and opens it through that unit. It is tuned to Pepsi's master key. I have seen them do it. Often they deliver the machine locked and need to open it because power is turned off inside machine. You do not need A/C voltage to open if they have that powered battery powered unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Vending Mechanic Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 The battery pack supplies enough voltage to run the motor on the Triteq, yes. But it's far easier to just plug the machine in. If you still have no power ( other than to the refer unit, which splits off before any other power does ) then on the lower inside of the door is a fuse. You can reach it with the door closed, barely. Pull that fuse and check it. It might just be loose. If you still can't get power, that makes everything more difficult. The next thing to do, if you have power to the entire machine but the remote still doesn't work, is drill out the lens on the front of the machine and fish around with a coat hanger ( gently ) to move wires out of the way of the sensor. I've also had some success with using a wide mouthed straw to enclose the sensor, then aim the remote at that. ( As an aside, the first thing I always, always do the first time I open one of those machines is to zip tie the heck out of any and all wires in the vicinity of the Triteq lock. Coin mech, BV, harness wires. EVERYTHING gets ziptied out of the dang way. Keeps the problems from happening in the first place. ) And it is entirely possible to get into the machine, even if the lock has failed, without doing major damage to the machine. PM for instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris1953 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 The vendors are delivered with a P1 fob that all techs have. Once it is delivered they change it to the customer or the route key. If the people at this location have the Key then this vendor has been signed out to them. They will responsible if Pepsi comes looking for it. Some where there is a asset number on it. It will be a grey tag with a number and bar code. You should find that and call them to see if it is still on the books. If not then happy vending. If it is it will also tell you who is responsible should it disappear. The Key Fob you have should be black. Only the Pepsi bottler in your area will have this particular Key Fob and code... The machine will not lock it there is no power. The battery pack has four 9 volt batteries in it and will plug into it to supply power to the lock. It will not work if you use cheap or bad batteries. You have to use duracell's or equivalent. Cheap batteries won't have enough amperage to open it. The key fob also has to have a good battery. Its just a normal watch battery. Federal Vending is right about the wires. Those Royals are a real nuisance where they located that sensor. Real pain in the tush if it is next to a wall or another vendor because you have to aim that fob straight into that lens. When aiming it at the sensor the red light on the fob will flash. I don't remember the flashes there will be a rapid flash for not connecting and a slow one for (I think) for the wrong Fob. It will light steady when it starts to open. Only had 1 Royal and it was a real pain. You couldn't hear it open and when you did if you didn't hold the door tight when pulling it open it would bounce back and then lock right back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snack dude Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Thanks everyone I plan on picking up the machine this week if i dont get any static from pepsi tomorrow when i let them know i am picking it up because they must not want it. i will let you know how it turns out. they may change their mind when i tell them that the end user is going to roll it out to the dumpster. After talking to the customer they dont care if pepsi comes after them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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