Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I have a cb500 in my garage that ive turned on and off several times. Today when I went to go turn it on it flipped the gfi switch. So i unplugged everything except for thr machine and it still flipped the switch.... Im using the same extension cord and outlet as I always have... The first time i turned it on today I smelt a VERY faint electrical smell nesr thr in/off switch. Any idea what this could be? Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 The power switch has probably failed. USI soda power switches have always been weak. For example the older CB700s finally changed over to the same switch used in the frozen machine because of how often the original switches failed. Pull the switch out and you'll probably find it melted on the back side. Now this could have happened from using it on an extension cord. A way too long cord can cause too much current loss causing the machine to try pulling too much which can melt the weakest link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 The power switch has probably failed. USI soda power switches have always been weak. For example the older CB700s finally changed over to the same switch used in the frozen machine because of how often the original switches failed. Pull the switch out and you'll probably find it melted on the back side. Now this could have happened from using it on an extension cord. A way too long cord can cause too much current loss causing the machine to try pulling too much which can melt the weakest link.Where would you expect to see the melt?Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 If it's not melted or feeling sluggish when switching it on and off then pull the black or white wire of the refrigeration relay and then see if it still trips. If it does then disconnect the light circuit and then the power transformer, then the evap fan. Those are all of the 110v circuits in the machine. If everything is fine then get a heavier and shorter extension cord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 If it's not melted or feeling sluggish when switching it on and off then pull the black or white wire of the refrigeration relay and then see if it still trips. If it does then disconnect the light circuit and then the power transformer, then the evap fan. Those are all of the 110v circuits in the machine. If everything is fine then get a heavier and shorter extension cord.Okay, so when I do switch it on it will make a quick noise like its trying, but then pops the switchSent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 You need to determine where the noise is coming from to narrow it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Ah, okay! Any risk of shock that I should be aware of? I'm not a good electrician!Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 This machine has the built in ssurge protector, could that play a role in any part of this?Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Keep your hands out of the wiring while doing this and always keep one hand out if you are moving wires around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Keep the hand out so as not to complete a circuit?Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 The inline device is not a surge protector, its a GFCI. If it is what buzzes or trips just cut it off the cord and put a good three prong wall plug on it. Those are government mandated BS and they are very weak to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Yes, only one hand in a circuit at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 If it's not melted or feeling sluggish when switching it on and off then pull the black or white wire of the refrigeration relay and then see if it still trips. If it does then disconnect the light circuit and then the power transformer, then the evap fan. Those are all of the 110v circuits in the machine. If everything is fine then get a heavier and shorter extension cord.Will the manual help me identify where to find the plugs/relays/switches for all of these?Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 The refrigeration relay is above the power switch you pointed to. If the lights work then that isn't the problem but if you need to disable them then find the light ballast which is in the door and unplug it. The evaporator fan has wiring inside the cabinet under the delivery chute that should have a disconnect there. But if that fan runs then it's not the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 So I'm going to disable one at a time, correct? Not all at once?Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I'm assuming that's what he means. Disconnect each one, one at a time, and then plug it back in if it's not the problem. Should be a matter of flipping the switch off, disconnecting one, turning the switch on and see if it shorts, and turning power back off and reconnecting if it doesn't short. From there, you'll at least be able to trace what device is shorting out. I'm assuming that's what he means... be careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 I'm assuming that's what he means. Disconnect each one, one at a time, and then plug it back in if it's not the problem. Should be a matter of flipping the switch off, disconnecting one, turning the switch on and see if it shorts, and turning power back off and reconnecting if it doesn't short. From there, you'll at least be able to trace what device is shorting out. I'm assuming that's what he means... be careful.And if nothing shorts then its my extension cord!Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 Okay, the machine turns on when this is unplugged, I believe this is the refrigeration relay? Is it bad to leave thr machine on without this plugged in? Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 Okay, the machine turns on when this is unplugged, I believe this is the refrigeration relay? Is it bad to leave thr machine on without this plugged in? Sent from my XT1254 using TapatalkPixSent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 No. That will just turn off the electronics. That will prevent the logic board from turning the compressor on. If this stops the issue then unplug the relay by your power switch, either the white or black wire, and plug the transformer back in and try again. If that still stops the issue then you could have a bad compressor. If it still trips then you could have a shorted relay or bad logic board. In this case unplug one yellow wire from the relay and see if it still happens. If so the it's a bad relay. If pulling one yellow wire and that stops the tripping then the logic board is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 No. That will just turn off the electronics. That will prevent the logic board from turning the compressor on. If this stops the issue then unplug the relay by your power switch, either the white or black wire, and plug the transformer back in and try again. If that still stops the issue then you could have a bad compressor. If it still trips then you could have a shorted relay or bad logic board. In this case unplug one yellow wire from the relay and see if it still happens. If so the it's a bad relay. If pulling one yellow wire and that stops the tripping then the logic board is the problem.Unplug this relay?Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 No. That will just turn off the electronics. That will prevent the logic board from turning the compressor on. If this stops the issue then unplug the relay by your power switch, either the white or black wire, and plug the transformer back in and try again. If that still stops the issue then you could have a bad compressor. If it still trips then you could have a shorted relay or bad logic board. In this case unplug one yellow wire from the relay and see if it still happens. If so the it's a bad relay. If pulling one yellow wire and that stops the tripping then the logic board is the problem.When i pull this black/white wire Machine still turns on. If I unplug either the black or white wire from the power switch the machine won't turn on.Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 When I plug the transformer back in, and leave whats in the pic unplugged, the machine pops the switch. With transformer unplugged machine runs fine Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgolembiewski0903 Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 When I plug the transformer back in, and leave whats in the pic unplugged, the machine pops the switch. With transformer unplugged machine runs fine Sent from my XT1254 using TapatalkPicSent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Can you get the display and everything else to come on? If so, then the problem is probably either the compressor or the relay itself. Have you also tried a different outlet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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