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Cavalier CSS 64G/Coinco fp9800 issue

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Replaced the 220UF power capacitor and go the logic board working again, but now the changer motor is overheating. I've got the vend amount set to $0.25 and ran quite a few quarters through. Not sure why it would be energized since the change holders are empty and I've been using exact change.

Let it cool down and it works again, the thermal cut off works, but only for one quarter. I think it's trying to make change or perhaps the switch on the cams needs to be on(or off not sure).

The grease in the motor assembly was pretty much solid. I though it was some broken pieces at first, but I'm pretty sure it's just coagulated grease. Anyone know what type of grease to use?

If anyone has any pointers on an fp9800 I'd appreciate them.

 

Dan

 

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That sounds like a 4 price Coinco from the 70s or 80s.  Why are you still using it?  Your machine should use a single price coin mech of which there are many electronic ones around that will work 10x better.  Dump that relic and move on as there is no support for them now.

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It's my beer fridge and that's the mech that was in it. It's a single price unit, not sure if it's original to the machine. Is there a comparability chart somewhere? I can't just put one in, it's got to use the same style plug.

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The logic board is definetly thinking it needs to make change even when exact change is put in the machine. The coin changer mechanism is binding somewhere. I took the output shaft off and the motor will run without an issue. Strange that there is no change in the tubes for it to make change, and the Exact Change Only light is on, so the signal is there to not make change but something else is triggering it I guess.

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For those with a Coin Acceptors fp 9800 807 a couple of things to do.

1) Replace the 220UF capacitor on the logic board. The Coinco manual: here on page 6 Figure 3-5 shows the capacitor. Electrolytic caps dry out over time if they are pass voltage. Mine looked ok, I was expecting to see bulges at either end, but internally it had failed. When I pulled it out of the board to measure, the value was way off. So rule of thumb, just replace it. I didn't have a 220UF but close enough with a 250UF. More capacitance is ok, what you need to make sure  of is the voltage rating of your replacement cap is at least 25V DC, more is fine, less will get you a firecracker.

2) The changer motor assembly is a pretty robust 1 phase electric motor. This is where the Coin Acceptors I have differs from the Coinco(at least based on what I see in the manual listed above. 

This is a picture of mine with the top of the motor case removed:

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The round piece at bottom of the picture is the rotor, it's what spins and then goes through the reduction gearing you see above it. I thought the output shaft was binding(that's the gear you see on the right side middle of the picture). It's what is connected to an arm that moves the changer back and for to dispense the nickles. There is a momentary switch that a cam lobe touches to tell the logic board each time a nickle is dispensed.

My issue turned out to be the rotor wasn't spinning when the windings are energized. Basically the rotor sits in the middle of an electro magnet, when it's energized, it causes the rotor to spin. I never found any physical reason why it wasn't spinning, I think me taking it apart and putting it back together about 1000 times finally made it happy. I light sanded the rotor and put some De Oxit(tuner cleaner) on it.

While you have the motor apart, clean the grease out of there. Mine was so set up at first I thought it was a broken part. Turned out just to be some hardened grease. I pulled the gears out and wiped them down and used some spray on white lithium grease. My machine is not going to be pulling heavy work loads anymore, so I didn't repack it with a heavier grease.

The motor concerns me because when it gets hung, it will get very hot. Best to test the mechanism from time to time with the inventory switch. In theory mine should never run since I've set it to $0.25 and all I use is quarters, however it does decide sometimes it's got to make change.

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