gregscbr Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Have a hy-850 and trying to figure what validators will work in the machine tried the vn 27h2 and like to know what else will work and how to find out the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I'm not familiar with HY-850 but you should generally start by checking the manual for the equipment as manufacturers will generally list authorized payment systems. If the VN27x2 works, are you using the MDB harness or separate power and serial harnesses? Does your DBV use (1) Six pin plug OR does it require (1) 12 pin and a separate 18 pin plug to operate on that unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 The healthy you combo vending machine is from 2011 its mdb six pin plug and currently has a coinco 3 changer and the gba st2 validator and i added a g10 card reader to machine 5 months ago. and i am getting alerts from the machine telling me MDB Alert: Bill Acceptor Alert: bad sensor - Bill Acceptor Alert: bad sensor and Bill Acceptor Alert: jammed. When i get to machine i just got to pull the bill out of the back of the validator and all works fine . Im trying to understand what validators can work in this unit i see ads showing the mei 2632 downstacker i got the mei 27h2 downstacker now and only get to flashes and will not work i know it 24 volts and i have other 24 volt validators but like to be sure i dont plug in and ruin what i got by plugging in wrong thing how do i find out what validators work in what machines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 If it's mdb, your 2712 should work assuming the coin is satisfied. 2 flashes on MEI 2712 should be "disabled from system" which means the main board does not believe it can pay change so it's not "enabling" the DBV. Sensor errors in your original DBV generally lead back to cleaning or damaged sensors. Start from the beginning and verify coin acceptance and filled tubes. With all errors cleared, close the machine and vend with coins a few times so the mech will verify coin levels. If there is a "Tube Fill" function, insert coins through that feature to confirm that the board is keeping inventory. Once coin inventory levels are satisfied, your DBV should enable. Other options for MDB validators would be Coinco and Conlux but honestly, MEI are generally seen as the Cadillac of bill acceptors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCandyMaN Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 if its a healthy vending machine its most likely a seaga machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 I used the service mode to unload then to reload cuz with the 27h2 installed it would say no coins but with the 27h2 i would not let me load coins but when i switched it back to the gba it would let me load coins So after that worked i switched it back to the 27h2 and got same result. I dont get any errors about the coins and it works for giving change . so if the old one works why wont the new one arnt they the same mdb system checking for proper change and so om? and on first question which mei validators work in what machines i have a 2542, 2502 would these also work in machine ? how do i find that info without trial and erroring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, NYCandyMan said: if its a healthy vending machine its most likely a seaga machine yes correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Vendo Mike said: I'm not familiar with HY-850 but you should generally start by checking the manual for the equipment as manufacturers will generally list authorized payment systems. If the VN27x2 works, are you using the MDB harness or separate power and serial harnesses? Does your DBV use (1) Six pin plug OR does it require (1) 12 pin and a separate 18 pin plug to operate on that unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Vendo Mike said: If it's mdb, your 2712 should work assuming the coin is satisfied. 2 flashes on MEI 2712 should be "disabled from system" which means the main board does not believe it can pay change so it's not "enabling" the DBV. Sensor errors in your original DBV generally lead back to cleaning or damaged sensors. Start from the beginning and verify coin acceptance and filled tubes. With all errors cleared, close the machine and vend with coins a few times so the mech will verify coin levels. If there is a "Tube Fill" function, insert coins through that feature to confirm that the board is keeping inventory. Once coin inventory levels are satisfied, your DBV should enable. Other options for MDB validators would be Coinco and Conlux but honestly, MEI are generally seen as the Cadillac of bill acceptors. Does it matter which unit is plugged in first? like validator changer card reader ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Each card reader company has different ideas. I would start with coin and dbv which means the dbv plugs in to the board (or extension harness) and the coin mech plugs into the DBV's harness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 why would the old validator work fine with the coin changer and the new one not work when its the same connection? but in the morning ill have a chance to try this again and thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, gregscbr said: why would the old validator work fine with the coin changer and the new one not work when its the same connection? but in the morning ill have a chance to try this again and thanks for your help I would start with Dip switch/configuration settings and making sure the non-working unit isn't just faulty. All things alike, both units should work for you unless there is a problem. Failed sensors have to be cleaned or repaired. Older MEI VN25x2 validators should work as well as Coinco Vantage or Mag series and Conlux CV1012 MEI DBV model numbers are pretty self explanatory once you learn how they're broken down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AZVendor Posted May 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2021 Card readers generally have to be the first thing plugged in to the logic board. Then the validator plugs into that and the coin mech plugs into the validator harness. If a card reader is installed then disconnect it and see if anything changes. Also know that since its a POS Seaga the issue could be on the board side not supporting what you are putting in the machine. Dumb it down and try a Coinco MDB unit. Seaga put a lot of Coincos in their machines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 ill keep it in mind also have the orange light flashing dirty sensor or a broke one fun fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 well after i went through the changer hooked it back up and got same result so i hooked it up without the g10 card reader and it worked took the dollar and machine gave me change i then hooked up the card reader and got to flashes and vendor said no change i hooked it up in all the different orders i could and wont work until i take card reader out of the chain m so i guess i a little bit closer but still not working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AZVendor Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Then your board doesn't support the card reader. Have you done a card reader firmware update lately? If you haven't you may need it. If you have, it may have created the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 the board works with it just not with the new validator and i got the g10 in jan. so i assume its up 2 date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 8, 2021 Author Share Posted May 8, 2021 I talked with a tech. from usa teck he mentioned the board but i was not at my location to troubleshoot while on the phone so ill try that when i get back . And i cant even find a control board for the machine if i need one and there web site doesnt offer any advise cuz they say they can troubleshoot and replace sections as needed if you are a active member other then that nothing and they say machines are made in the usa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Seaga lies when they say their machines are made in the US. Every single component in their machines comes from Asia and they are just assemblers. They have lousy support which is evidenced by having NEVER provided a wiring diagram for a single machine. They do not repair logic boards, they only sell new ones for $400+. They have never authorized anyone to repair boards for them and with no diagnostics available for them no one can fix them. They do not sell components for cooling units, they sell new complete decks. This is all because they manufacture none of their parts but rather import them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 i tried every way i could to get this working and still cant get it how do i find a new control board for hy-800 all i can find is rs-800 they look the same but not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 13 hours ago, gregscbr said: i tried every way i could to get this working and still cant get it how do i find a new control board for hy-800 all i can find is rs-800 they look the same but not sure Replace the machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT1963 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I have an MEI compatibility chart that some may find useful, I'll email it to the webmaster so he can add it to the file page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregscbr Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 thanks can u just post here ?and is it current and have seaga in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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