BastiGer Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Hi, I'm from Germany, so sorry for my bad English 😅 My issue with my dixie narco is, that it don't vend. The first hit on the select button start the vend motor, but only a few inches. When I hit the same button the second time it will vend completely. (all 8 selections and vend motors) Thank you for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 2 hours ago, BastiGer said: Hi, I'm from Germany, so sorry for my bad English 😅 My issue with my dixie narco is, that it don't vend. The first hit on the select button start the vend motor, but only a few inches. When I hit the same button the second time it will vend completely. (all 8 selections and vend motors) Thank you for your help. That's a bit normal on old machines. Put a sign instructing customers to hold the button until the item vends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orsd Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Yep, old DNs are just slow to start. Just the way it is with the technical limitations of the time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiGer Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, BastiGer said: "The first hit on the select button start the vend motor, but only a few inches. When I hit the same button the second time it will vend completely" First, thank you for answering. When I press the selection longer, it is the same issue. You have to press two times. So I have to half the prices and every customer have to choose 2 times. Is there not a better solution? Edited September 8, 2021 by BastiGer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orsd Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Is this machine new to you or did you recently change drink type (bottle vs can?) If so it might be set wrong. What packages are you vending and how many notches are showing on the cam (circle disks) in front of the motor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiGer Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, orsd said: Is this machine new to you or did you recently change drink type (bottle vs can?) If so it might be set wrong. What packages are you vending and how many notches are showing on the cam (circle disks) in front of the motor? Yes this machine is new for me. The machine is empty and not adjust to any packages. I make two pictures of one of the vend motor, the first Bevor I press the button. And the second is after pressing the button I think the problem is, every second time it's stop to early. But I don't know why. Can I adjust the stop mechanism? Edited September 8, 2021 by BastiGer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCandyMaN Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 looks like there's only 2 options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiGer Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, NYCandyMan said: looks like there's only 2 options And what are the options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 This circuit requires the selection button to be held to provide power to the motor until the trailing switch to falls into the notch on the cam. Once that happens, the motor will have continuous power and will rotate until the leading switch falls into the next notch. This resets the vend relay and re-enables the coin mech for another vend. Unfortunately, this simply means that you have to hold the button a bit longer than you'd expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Both photos are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I think the motor turned slightly but the trailing switch still isn't in the notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiGer Posted September 9, 2021 Author Share Posted September 9, 2021 37 minutes ago, Vendo Mike said: I think the motor turned slightly but the trailing switch still isn't in the notch. Yes, did you think I can solve this problem by bending the trailing switch. So that the trailing switch and the leading switch comes closer together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Respectfully, I think you're trying to fix something that is part of the original design of the machine. There really is not a "problem" to fix. The button simply has to be held a little longer than one may expect. Consumers have gotten accustomed to that type of thing over the 30+ years that machine has been in the market so there really isn't a reason to start changing things now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiGer Posted September 9, 2021 Author Share Posted September 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, Vendo Mike said: Respectfully, I think you're trying to fix something that is part of the original design of the machine. There really is not a "problem" to fix. The button simply has to be held a little longer than one may expect. Consumers have gotten accustomed to that type of thing over the 30+ years that machine has been in the market so there really isn't a reason to start changing things now. I know what you mean, but my problem is that It doesn't make a difference how long I press the button. It really don't work. I really try it, I pushed the button 30 seconds and it stops at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orsd Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Sounds like the credit is being canceled for some reason before the bypass switch is engaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Sorry, misunderstood the situation. If credit is being established but cancelled before that motor completes a vend, start looking closely at the wiring to the vend relay as well as the trailing switches on that and each of the other motors. Unless it's been done in the recent past, you might consider replacing all of the switch clusters on those motors. They're inexpensive and can be the source of a lot of headaches. As you work through them, you may find some that aren't plugged in completely/correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiGer Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 18 hours ago, Vendo Mike said: Sorry, misunderstood the situation. If credit is being established but cancelled before that motor completes a vend, start looking closely at the wiring to the vend relay as well as the trailing switches on that and each of the other motors. Unless it's been done in the recent past, you might consider replacing all of the switch clusters on those motors. They're inexpensive and can be the source of a lot of headaches. As you work through them, you may find some that aren't plugged in completely/correctly. Okay thanks, that's something I can work with. Isn't it likely that it is the relay, because it affects every vend motor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 It might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiGer Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) On 9/10/2021 at 1:09 AM, Vendo Mike said: Sorry, misunderstood the situation. If credit is being established but cancelled before that motor completes a vend, start looking closely at the wiring to the vend relay as well as the trailing switches on that and each of the other motors. Unless it's been done in the recent past, you might consider replacing all of the switch clusters on those motors. They're inexpensive and can be the source of a lot of headaches. As you work through them, you may find some that aren't plugged in completely/correctly. I just checked out what my relay looks like. And I think the previous owner removed that. That's the slot where the relay belongs in, right? Oh, and does anyone have experience with this replica relay? KUP93-14A11-120 Thanks in advance😊 Edited September 11, 2021 by BastiGer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Well, there you go. Someone wired it for free vend. Pull those wires out and slap a relay in it. Make sure you get a DN relay as the Vendo relay is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiGer Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 3 hours ago, AZVendor said: Well, there you go. Someone wired it for free vend. Pull those wires out and slap a relay in it. Make sure you get a DN relay as the Vendo relay is different. Okay, thanks for the hint. Why are all the relays that can be found for DN, single price relays? Are there no others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orsd Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 It’s a single price machine, only capable of being single price. So the relays for this type of machine are referred to as single price relays. To get multi price capability you need an electronic control board equipped machine. (Technically there were “4 price” machines that used relays but those are fairly rare and the relays will not fit a single price machine like yours) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Now that I think about it again, get us a photo of the inside of your selection panel showing all of the wiring. I think what you might have is a machine wired for a 4 price mech. In that case you will have extra wiring in your selection panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiGer Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 18 hours ago, AZVendor said: Now that I think about it again, get us a photo of the inside of your selection panel showing all of the wiring. I think what you might have is a machine wired for a 4 price mech. In that case you will have extra wiring in your selection panel. You're right. Inside was this circuit diagram. Does that mean that I don't have to put a relay in my machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 The diagram is for the single price wiring. You do have some odd wiring next to the relay socket. All of the selection switches look like they have original wires on them. Is there a numbered wire loose from the top switch? I doubt that there is. Do the wires with the pink connectors next to the relay socket go to a switch on the outside of the door? If so then that is the free vend switch. If you remove that and the jumpers in the socket then you can put the relay in and it will be a normal single price machine again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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