noreferal Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 There's somebody around me selling his entire vending route. It has 8 machines in 4 locations. He's asking 12k for all of it because he is moving away. Does this sound like a good deal? Does anyone know what any of these machines could be worth? I'm pretty new to all this but I really like the idea of getting into it. so I've done some questioning. Seller says in total, profits every month are about 600 to 950 depending on the season. they’re cash only machines, but the clients have expressed a lot of interest in an upgrade. 2 locations are break rooms of large stores with 50+ employees 1 is an apartment complex with over 300 units and the last is in the break room of a dental clinic. It would cost a bit to upgrade them all to accept cards, but I think the return would make it worth it, especially with the mention of clients pushing for an upgrade. From what I've read online it could boost sales by 15 to 20 percent. Does anyone own these machines and do they know if they could be upgraded, and at what cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) To do card readers you have to have MDB in the machines. If the machines aren't MDB now then you need to replace the coin mech and bill acceptor when you make it MDB. That can be done with a harness on some machines, with an InOne Technologies kit in some and can't be done in some. Pic 1 is a Vendo Workplace vendor. Nothing you can do with it and none of the parts are available so it is the first you need to replace. https://e4995306-5b39-4820-8d83-ef2846e90a02.usrfiles.com/ugd/e49953_cd74b45998ab465e9c50f63a5884c2c3.pdf Pic 2 is a USI Snackmart 4000 and it's not worth anything either. Pic 3 is a National 158 and is worth keeping. Pic 4 and 5 are good USI machines with F80 logic boards. They are older but can be MDB though the card readers are questionable. Pic 6 and 7 are Vendo Vmax machines which are MDB capable though they probably need newer eproms to do cards. Those are live displays so the button driver board might not be available now. Pic 8 is a USI CD6 can module that interfaces to one of the F80 logic boards. That is a old machine and totally dependent on the master machine. Have fun getting a frozen can out of the serpentine rack if the thermostat fails. I forgot to talk about the price. It appears he's asking for 12 months of profits, on the high end. I wouldn't give more than $8000 total but what it's worth is what someone is willing to pay for it. Edited May 15, 2023 by AZVendor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tblake05 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 The second pic, ....USI snack machine all in its woodgrain glory... Has the original board judging the the display... So for that one to be cashless will require an inone board and a new MDB bill val and coin mech. probably gonna be 800.00 just in upgrades on that one alone just to make it cashless ready not including telemeter or reader. pics 4 and 5 "can" do cashless. Might require an eprom update if its not -7 version (about 80.00 each). However, it will not report cash sales. The other machines I can't speak to and that last soda machine..... what the heck is that? Don't think I've ever seen one like that before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tblake05 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 AZ beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noreferal Posted May 15, 2023 Author Share Posted May 15, 2023 8 hours ago, AZVendor said: To do card readers you have to have MDB in the machines. If the machines aren't MDB now then you need to replace the coin mech and bill acceptor when you make it MDB. That can be done with a harness on some machines, with an InOne Technologies kit in some and can't be done in some. Pic 1 is a Vendo Workplace vendor. Nothing you can do with it and none of the parts are available so it is the first you need to replace. https://e4995306-5b39-4820-8d83-ef2846e90a02.usrfiles.com/ugd/e49953_cd74b45998ab465e9c50f63a5884c2c3.pdf Pic 2 is a USI Snackmart 4000 and it's not worth anything either. Pic 3 is a National 158 and is worth keeping. Pic 4 and 5 are good USI machines with F80 logic boards. They are older but can be MDB though the card readers are questionable. Pic 6 and 7 are Vendo Vmax machines which are MDB capable though they probably need newer eproms to do cards. Those are live displays so the button driver board might not be available now. Pic 8 is a USI CD6 can module that interfaces to one of the F80 logic boards. That is a old machine and totally dependent on the master machine. Have fun getting a frozen can out of the serpentine rack if the thermostat fails. I forgot to talk about the price. It appears he's asking for 12 months of profits, on the high end. I wouldn't give more than $8000 total but what it's worth is what someone is willing to pay for it. Do you think it would be a worthwhile investment at about 6k to 8k, and how much would it cost to get the machines upgraded? The first few machines can't be upgraded at all? I'd be willing to put the work in myself if it would improve the margins enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noreferal Posted May 15, 2023 Author Share Posted May 15, 2023 8 hours ago, tblake05 said: The second pic, ....USI snack machine all in its woodgrain glory... Has the original board judging the the display... So for that one to be cashless will require an inone board and a new MDB bill val and coin mech. probably gonna be 800.00 just in upgrades on that one alone just to make it cashless ready not including telemeter or reader. pics 4 and 5 "can" do cashless. Might require an eprom update if its not -7 version (about 80.00 each). However, it will not report cash sales. The other machines I can't speak to and that last soda machine..... what the heck is that? Don't think I've ever seen one like that before... At a cost like 800 dollars a machine, would it be worth it to instead buy a new machine? I'm not sure what new machines run for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 It's your call as to the investment. If you're going to keep the locations then it's just the first two that aren't worth putting money into and the first one can't be upgraded at all - just read the manual and you'll see why. The newer USI machines will be easy to upgrade with the National maybe doing MDB or maybe not. The coin mechs are about $125 each and MEI VN2500 MDB bill acceptors are maybe $200-250 each. Plus any harnesses or upgrade boards. The card readers are all over the board on top of all of this. If you were just buying these to place elsewhere then I wouldn't buy them unless the price was $5-6K just because of the old machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tblake05 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I agree with AZ. The first two I wouldn't interested in on location or not. Those will need to be replaced if your considering doing cashless. -Though available, I don't think I'd even upgrade the woodgrain usi with a inone board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tblake05 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I love how that last machine, the arrow is pointing the wrong direction. Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I think they came with two arrows but then, of course, they get thrown away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noreferal Posted May 15, 2023 Author Share Posted May 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, tblake05 said: I love how that last machine, the arrow is pointing the wrong direction. Classic. I'd definitely wanna spruce up the machines and fix problems like this. From what I'm gathering this deal is quite a bit overpriced, but if I could negotiate down to 6 or 7 thousand, it may be a good entrance into the wonderful world of vending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tblake05 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Yup! the first two prob not even work into the equation. both the usi snack machines I’d maybe go 1200.00 each tops on location. the national and vendo’s... I don’t really know. Maybe 1800 for the national and 800 each for the vendos the cd6 as az points out needs to be connected to a snack machine to run. Kind of like the later cb300 slave machines. It’s design seems pretty dated too. 500 tops? others will have to join with their inputs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tblake05 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Plus wonderful world of vending alright. Get ready for product cost hikes, increased sales and use tax county and state, product shortages, and machine breakdowns. honestly I wish I’d have consulted this forum before I jumped in head first cause I know we overpaid for outdated equipment. But that’s water under the bridge. good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 In my opinion the two Vendo Vmaxes are worth more than all the other machines but only the total price really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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