davidsurvz Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I have a question about the A&A machines. I am looking at the PO89, PN95 and PM models. Does anyone know what the capsule wheels are like and how well they vend 1.1 caps? I am interested in trying out toys (at this point I am thinking "glo-sticks") at 1 or 2 locations. I am trying to find a good machine that will reliably vend 1.1 caps. I got a decent quote on these machines. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavity Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 A&A are quality Oak and NW knockoffs(almost exactly the same) made in Taiwan. The wheels are the same as you would get if you bought either of the 2 above. That being said, I don't own any A&A. However, my NW's vend well, as anyone else can attest to. As far as the Oak's, someone else might have some better info. You can download their parts catalogue from the A&A website, all the wheels are listed with pics there. I say go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I just bought and put out 3 PN95's. Haven't done any collection from them yet, however I haven't gotten any calls for breakdowns yet. I used to get 2 a week from these loctions with LYPC machines. I would buy the upgrade on the coin mech. They also charge extra for the coin tray. Ridiculous I say. I didn't buy the coin trays since I didn't know they didn't come with them until I opened them up. I'm sure I'll be getting them too. Without the coin trays they were $53/each (with better mech) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Snacks Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Agitation is key when vending 1.1 inch acorn capsules as you have experienced in your 1-800 machines! The proper agitation is needed to shake those stubborn acorn capsules into the hole every time. There are a few different designs out there. One is the "propeller head springs" and the other is a "single hard spring". The propeller head design has 3 springs that form a right angle from the rods attached to the wheel. The single hard spring design has a longer rigid spring that is parallel to the wheel and is attached to the center pole. I had problems with the propeller head design especially with lighter weight acorn caps and had about a 5% misvend rate. The single hard spring is much more reliable and I have virtually no misvends or complaints with acorn caps when using that wheel. NW and Oak use the single hard spring design and A&A uses the propeller head design. The first picture is the propeller head design. My very first post a few years ago talked about this at length if you wish to search for it. NW and A&A wheels can be interchanged. I only use round capsules with propeller head wheels. I need my misvend to be close to zero since I have some owners (usually Asian) that freak out when they have to refund a quarter to their customer. I have capsule wheels from A&A and I do not like them for acorn use. Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 OK , I will research this some more. Do any of you A&A users see a downside to A&A machines. It seems like it would be a cost effective way for me to go to try this out. If it goes well I may try some racks. I am still not sure about that one though. Thanks, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T BIRD Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 David.......when I first started, I used the A&A Elites which is a dressed up PN 95. They worked very well for me and I was very happy with their machine. I do not think you will be dis satisfied with that choice. It is a sturdy machine and takes a location with a lot of traffic well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dperry Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 I like A&A machines very much. I just recently purchased 15 new A&A PO89 small panel heads. This is my first major machine order from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 A&A machines are great. and are made in the usa however some parts are foreign made. A&A machines ship from MD. ticker machines ship from CA. They are made and painted etc in the us. the person that said there from tiwan hasnt a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Snacks Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Yes, A&A is a quality machine and it should be since they essentially copied the NW design. But getting back to the OP question, IMO the A&A capsule wheel SUCKS! You will have more mis-vends with acorn caps with their style of capsule wheel. I have experienced this personally at locations since I have some A&A wheels as well as the older generation NW capsule wheels that are of similar design (and probably also copied by A&A). I have also tested both the A&A and NW capsule wheel in my storage unit and the A&A had a 5% mis-vend rate on acorn caps and the NW had ZERO mis-vends. This year I have only had two complaints about toy mis-vends and guess what - both were using the A&A (propeller) style wheel. NW redesigned their wheel for a reason and I am surprised that A&A has not yet copied it. Just my 2 cents, but I would hate too see any one lose a location due to excessive mis-vends. Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavity Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 A&A machines are great. and are made in the usa however some parts are foreign made. A&A machines ship from MD. ticker machines ship from CA. They are made and painted etc in the us. the person that said there from tiwan hasnt a clue. Not to get into a pissing contest or anything but, I have opened sealed cardboard boxes from A&A Global that contain their pn95's. On the box reads "made in Taiwan". Spin it however you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 I think these machines will be good for me to do what I want. I talked to A&A yesterday and their prices are very reasonable. I have run through some cheap machines in the past and I am sure these will be fine for what I am after. Jax, do the NW wheels that you use work well in the A&A machines? If so do you know where I can get a couple of them cheap? (You mentioned they are similar machines.) Thanks, Daivd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Snacks Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I don't own any A&A machines, just their capsule wheels. An NW wheel in a A&A should not be a problem. Sometimes the wheels are on ebay, if not call NW. You do not need to order brush housing and can use the A&A housing, the wheel is about $6 - no bizop price gouging here! You can still use the A&A wheel for round capsules. Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 I put in an order today fro some heads and glow-sticks in caps.......... Hopefully this goes well for me. We'll see, I don't seem to have the "Midas touch" that Gary and Johnny do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Coast Vend LLC Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Jax, Are the best capsule wheels for acorns, Oak wheels? If so, would the Oak wheels fit a LYPC machine? The LYPC looks like all the rest but I was wondering if I could change my wheels for Oak wheels. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Snacks Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Oak and NW have the same wheel design and are the best IMO, but have different brush housing which is no big deal. I don't know about the LYPC compatibility since I have never owned one. Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T BIRD Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I put in an order today fro some heads and glow-sticks in caps.......... Hopefully this goes well for me. We'll see, I don't seem to have the "Midas touch" that Gary and Johnny do. David........you are doing just fine buddy!...........keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 Thanks Johnny, My route is almost disposable compared to you guys. I ain't complainin' at all I love my route. You guys are just amazing. We have been doing this for about the same amount of time and you guys have just done some great work!! I tell my wife about some of the stuff you guys have achieved and she is also impressed. You guys keep it up too. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 I received my machines this weekend. They are pretty nice machines. I am really impressed with how smoothly they vend. The wheel runs very smoothly when you turn the coin mech. I got some PO89 large panels. I think I will be buying more of these. Very reasonably priced and the 50 cent mechs weren't that much of a price difference at all. I put a doulbe head at a very kid friendly location yesterday, with glo-sticks in it and RP. We'll see how they do. I am going to try the 50 cent vend to start (2 per cap). If that doesn't work well I will try them at 25 cents (1 per cap.) Someone already has a rack located there and mine is a charity machine so we'll see how it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPVendCo. Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Thanks Johnny, My route is almost disposable compared to you guys. I ain't complainin' at all I love my route. You guys are just amazing. We have been doing this for about the same amount of time and you guys have just done some great work!! In my other business they have a saying "do you know what makes a helicopter fly? money." the mo' you throw, the mo' you grow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavity Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 What is your other business? We might be involved in the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPVendCo. Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I am a contract pilot for aerial surveys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 I am impressed with these machines. I am getting them out on location. We'll see how they hold up under actual field conditions..... I have to say that he capsules seem to be vending just fine out of the A&A cap wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Coast Vend LLC Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Which machines did you buy? Good luck with them. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 PO89 Large Panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkelly Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 On 11/22/2009 at 7:28 PM, davidsurvz said: PO89 Large Panel. ANY feedback? Didd these machines hold up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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