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Hi everybody,

I aplogize if this has been covered already.  I did a few searches and could not find what I was looking for.

First question:

For a local charity, should I offer $1.50 per month per HEAD or per MACHINE?

Second question:

I have read lost of posts here and elsewhere regarding machines and costs, etc.  I am very drawn to the deal at Sam's Club:  http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=374161&pCatg=7273

Probably because Seaga is a quality brand and the familiarity of Walmart / Sams.

So the question is, is the deal linked above a good one?

Thanks in advance,

Mike

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#1 most national charities charge you $1 to $1.50 a month. if it is a local charity that does not have a vending outreach program then you will need to work something out with them yourself.

#2 i have never used a seaga, steve could answer that question better for you. most recommend a&a, oak, or northwestern. most important thing is to not buy too many of anything until you try a few to see what it is that you like.

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Well the chrome looks good, but fingerprints show EXTRENY well on chrome parts, and oily hands will crode the chrome. I suggest red, or green. Seaga is NOT a quality machine. I will not go into it deep (as more info. in back posts, just keyword "seaga"), Northwestern, Oak, and A&A Global Ind. are the BEST machines.

I use a local charity. I give 1.75 per MACHINE, not head.

Kyle Guth -   http://guthvending-myvendingblog.blogspot.com/

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Well the chrome looks good, but fingerprints show EXTRENY well on chrome parts, and oily hands will crode the chrome. I suggest red, or green. Seaga is NOT a quality machine. I will not go into it deep (as more info. in back posts, just keyword "seaga"), Northwestern, Oak, and A&A Global Ind. are the BEST machines.

I use a local charity. I give 1.75 per MACHINE, not head.

Kyle Guth -   http://guthvending-myvendingblog.blogspot.com/

To save you the digging, Kyle had 1 Seaga machine when he was new to the biz that was defective, but he wasn't experienced enough at the time to realize it.  That's the extent of his experience with Seaga that he's related on the topic.

/Happy with my Seagas

//Going to try some A&As too

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There is nothing wrong with the Seaga millenia's. Sure there are other machines out there that are touted as having better quality but for the money the Seaga is just fine. It will not fall apart on you any sooner than any other machine. It's more a matter of preference. As Pusherman stated above, don't bulk up on any machine until you've tried as many as you can. That way you can make up your own mind.

As for that deal on Sam's, Its a bit expensive unless you really want that chrome stand. I agree with Guth that the chrome looks good, but only when its clean. Since you'll only be servicing the machine once a month, chances are it will only look clean once a month and dirty 29 or 30 days a month.

If you can live without the chrome stand, I would go with 2 of the millenia's from Sam's at $46.44 each, a double bracket from Sam's, (I think they are around $5) and a stand from Amerivend for $27. All of this will come to about $125.

Hope this helps!

Steve

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Thanks for the responses so far. What about buying them from Sam's?  BTW, they have NW machines as well there. :D

I think we posted at the same time. See my post above^^

Steve

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Actually I'm not the only one who got hooked by Seaga. Buy them, I really don't care, but when the fall off the stand, coin mechs break, that's you problem.

Here are a few videos of what seagas are worth:

http://www.theglasgowgroup.com/video/

Follow the 4 links, it is 3 videos, 1 picture!

Kyle

As another altruistic time-saving act.  Here is the text from that link:

"The "1st Annual Gumball Machine Shootout" occured over the Thanksgiving Holiday. LOL. Checkout the very bottom of the FILES section of VendingSpot to see what happens when a gumball machine gets shot about 96 times. There are 3 video clips, and 1 picture [of what's left over]. I shot the machine with 3 clips of 32-rounds with a semi automatic MAC10 pistol. I can shoot the gun very fast using a method called "bump firing"...which is a trick done by using the recoil of the gun to help you pull the trigger faster...which produces a rate of fire fairly close to a slow machine gun. I know a guy in Georgia who is far better at it than I am.

Anyway - it was a blast shooting up a machine that has given me so much trouble over the years. If anyone has trouble viewing the videos or picture, email me & I'll help you out.

I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving!!!

Have a great day,

Steve"

Yes.  It's some guy shooting a gun at a Seaga.  Quite a convincing argument. 

Here are some quotes...

Kyle:"Are you getting the vista cabs? There the best. No more broken globs to replace, just buy a panel for $2.00. I use the vista cabs. Thay look the BEST. I am so happy, no more Crap Seaga"

7/23/07

Kyle:"YES, see that is what happened to me! However, mine just fell apart. It vended free stuff. O yea, I receive compliments on my [highlight= rgb(255, 255, 136);]GMW machines, some 6 years old!"

7/23/07[highlight= rgb(136, 255, 255);]

Kyle: "Ok people, seagas are..OK. GMW are THE BEST. Lets and a debate, which are BETTER?"

7/24/07

Kyle:"never buy a GMW, they are rip offs and there machines are not worth .25 they SUCK"

10/5/07

Kyle:"I'm glad you went with a GOOD machine, and not some seaga or [highlight= rgb(255, 255, 136);]GMW!!! " 10/18/07

Kyle, the not-so-subtle message here is that I personally don't appreciate your constant bashing of the machines I currently choose to run.  You had 1 bad experience... OK!  You're a succesful vendor, and for you, it was a $80 mistake. Add your experience as honestly as you are able into the review section, and give it a rest huh?  I know I'd appreciate it, and I'd be surprised if the other people running Seagas (Almost 1/3 of the operators if the poll is accurate) wouldn't appreciate it too.

Hope this wasn't too offensive.  I probably should have said something sooner instead of letting it grate on my nerves post after post.

-Lucero

EDIT: Grammar policing myself.

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I agree. There is no such thing as a perfect machine. Every vendor has a different opinion on what machines are good.

A good machine, to me, is one that makes you money, causes you little frustration and one that you like.

Also, when you have people spending their hard earned money on equiptment, and building routes, statements like they 'suck' or are 'crap' is just uncalled for. State your preference, thats fine, but be positive IMHO.

Jimbo

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Thanks Lucero, not offensive, just my opinion, and I have a right to that! Seaga was bad, and GMW is bad. I have switched now! I have a verity of machines, all I think are quality (but amerivend, that is the machine my charity wanted, there cabs. a knockoff of vista oaks).  Lucero, how long have you actually been in vending?

Kyle

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Thanks Lucero, not offensive, just my opinion, and I have a right to that! Seaga was bad, and GMW is bad. I have switched now! I have a verity of machines, all I think are quality (but amerivend, that is the machine my charity wanted, there cabs. a knockoff of vista oaks).  Lucero, how long have you actually been in vending?

Kyle

Okey doke, time for some cleanup.  About 5 days shy of one month. Plenty of experience to see through your pollution. Now, how about YOU, Kyle?  How long have you been in the business?  How old ARE you?  Are you actually in this business?

Some quotes from and about our esteemed colleague "Kyle":

Date: 6/29/2007

Steve from the BulkVending blog, introducing Kyle and his new blog guth-vending:

"Kyle has been doing Bulk Vending since age 13 and is very knowledgable on the subject. He is a Bulk Vendor Full Time."

Presumably Steve got his information from you, including the 'knowledgable' portion.

Source: http://bulkvending.blogspot.com/2007/06/guth-vending.html

Date: 7/20/2007

Kyle assures us he owns no Oaks:

"Like i said before I do not use Oak."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1039     

Date: 7/23/2007

Kyle doesn't use locators!

"I have located my fleet of machines by myself. I did not fall for the Locator's scam."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1120

Date: 7/27/2007

Kyle introducing himself on the Kick-Start vending forum 'About Me' section:

"Kyle Guth, 19, 56 machines, Sparta TN. I love My job!"

Source: http://kickstartvending.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=1dc533f519052a708cfed097b87ca282&topic=13.0

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle assures us he orders machines from Oak (among others):

"I get my machines from: GMW, Oak, NW, Beaver, and XYZ Vending!"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1233

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle praises GMW, and reveals he has been a customer for 5 years!

"Black with chrome machines from GMW dominates my route! Thay are ALWAYS available, and ARE NOT OLD, CLOSEOUT MACHINES YOU GUYS. I HAVE BEEN BUYING THEM FOR 5 YEARS"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1230

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle asks pusherman how many machines he has, and then tells pusherman:

"Thats cool, I have 150 [machines]."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1227

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle has to remind Pusherman he's been in the biz for 7 years! Veteran!:

"Waite "pusherman" I have been in this business for 7 years."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1218

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle let's a vendor looking for advice he is qualified, by sharing this nugget:

"There [GMW] doubles are very good. I operate over 150 and Never had a problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1206

Date: 8/3/2007

Kyle talk about his GMW triples:

"He wants to buy a GMW machine. I do agree with you about triples, but I use 47 of them in breakrooms/banks!"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1237

Date: 8/4/2007

Kyle parades his experience to school a 'newbie':

"...keep them in cool locations, you will do fine!! I have never had a problem in my 8 yrs."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1255

                

Date: 8/7/2007

Kyle on his vast collection of Oaks:

"Yes I would go with Oak myself. I have about 50 of them, and I would trade them for nothing."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1317

Date: 8/8/2007

Kyle on his machines, and the wonderful gumball machine warehouse:

"I have placed over 100 orders from GMW. Every one has been at my doorstop in 3 days."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1322

Date: 8/8/2007

Kyle on being called on his BS on another site (looks like I'm not the first, eh?):

"How many years experience do you have? Not 9."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1328

Date: 8/22/2007

Kyle giddy about finding another teenager:

"I am also 19!"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=432&st=0&p=1446entry1446

Date: 11/4/2007

Kyle lets us know he has placed 90 machines (and as we recall, has never used a locator):

"Everyone is like that, I still today after placing 90 machines, am nervous."

Source: http://www.vendiscuss.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=502&forum_id=1&jump_to=3229#p3229   

OK. So you're 19, and you got in bulk at 13.  That's 6 years in business.  Impressive!  You don't use Oaks(7/20/2007), and then you have 50 oaks(8/7/2007) a few weeks later.  You owned 56 machines on (7/27/07), but then you owned 150 machines just 6 days later (8/2/2007).  Of course it's tricky owning 150 machines comprised of 50 oaks (8/7/2007) and 150 GMW doubles (8/2/2007), but then again, you'd have the finesse for it, since you've been in business for 7 years (8/2/2007).  And what's nice is how rapidly you advance, having been in business for 8 years 2 days later (8/4/2007) and for 9 years just 4 days after that (8/8/2007).  Quite the savant! So 9 years, and you've been in bulk since age 13 (6/29/2007), so you're 21?  But wait, I thought you said you were 19(8/22/2007)?  One thing I know for certain, you're no dummy!  You don't fall for that bull** locator scam(7/23/2007), right?  You let us know just a few days ago that you placed all 90 of your machines yourself(11/4/2007)!

Kyle, I asked you before to do me a favor and stop picking on Seagas.  Now, instead, I'm asking you to do yourself a favor and stop picking on Seagas.

Thanks,

-Lucero

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Thanks Lucero, not offensive, just my opinion, and I have a right to that! Seaga was bad, and GMW is bad. I have switched now! I have a verity of machines, all I think are quality (but amerivend, that is the machine my charity wanted, there cabs. a knockoff of vista oaks).  Lucero, how long have you actually been in vending?

Kyle

Okey doke, time for some cleanup.  About 5 days shy of one month. Plenty of experience to see through your pollution. Now, how about YOU, Kyle?  How long have you been in the business?  How old ARE you?  Are you actually in this business?

Some quotes from and about our esteemed colleague "Kyle":

Date: 6/29/2007

Steve from the BulkVending blog, introducing Kyle and his new blog guth-vending:

"Kyle has been doing Bulk Vending since age 13 and is very knowledgable on the subject. He is a Bulk Vendor Full Time."

Presumably Steve got his information from you, including the 'knowledgable' portion.

Source: http://bulkvending.blogspot.com/2007/06/guth-vending.html

Date: 7/20/2007

Kyle assures us he owns no Oaks:

"Like i said before I do not use Oak."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1039     

Date: 7/23/2007

Kyle doesn't use locators!

"I have located my fleet of machines by myself. I did not fall for the Locator's scam."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1120

Date: 7/27/2007

Kyle introducing himself on the Kick-Start vending forum 'About Me' section:

"Kyle Guth, 19, 56 machines, Sparta TN. I love My job!"

Source: http://kickstartvending.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=1dc533f519052a708cfed097b87ca282&topic=13.0

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle assures us he orders machines from Oak (among others):

"I get my machines from: GMW, Oak, NW, Beaver, and XYZ Vending!"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1233

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle praises GMW, and reveals he has been a customer for 5 years!

"Black with chrome machines from GMW dominates my route! Thay are ALWAYS available, and ARE NOT OLD, CLOSEOUT MACHINES YOU GUYS. I HAVE BEEN BUYING THEM FOR 5 YEARS"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1230

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle asks pusherman how many machines he has, and then tells pusherman:

"Thats cool, I have 150 [machines]."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1227

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle has to remind Pusherman he's been in the biz for 7 years! Veteran!:

"Waite "pusherman" I have been in this business for 7 years."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1218

Date: 8/2/2007

Kyle let's a vendor looking for advice he is qualified, by sharing this nugget:

"There [GMW] doubles are very good. I operate over 150 and Never had a problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1206

Date: 8/3/2007

Kyle talk about his GMW triples:

"He wants to buy a GMW machine. I do agree with you about triples, but I use 47 of them in breakrooms/banks!"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1237

Date: 8/4/2007

Kyle parades his experience to school a 'newbie':

"...keep them in cool locations, you will do fine!! I have never had a problem in my 8 yrs."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1255

                

Date: 8/7/2007

Kyle on his vast collection of Oaks:

"Yes I would go with Oak myself. I have about 50 of them, and I would trade them for nothing."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1317

Date: 8/8/2007

Kyle on his machines, and the wonderful gumball machine warehouse:

"I have placed over 100 orders from GMW. Every one has been at my doorstop in 3 days."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1322

Date: 8/8/2007

Kyle on being called on his BS on another site (looks like I'm not the first, eh?):

"How many years experience do you have? Not 9."

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=1328

Date: 8/22/2007

Kyle giddy about finding another teenager:

"I am also 19!"

Source: http://www.vendingchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=432&st=0&p=1446entry1446

Date: 11/4/2007

Kyle lets us know he has placed 90 machines (and as we recall, has never used a locator):

"Everyone is like that, I still today after placing 90 machines, am nervous."

Source: http://www.vendiscuss.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=502&forum_id=1&jump_to=3229#p3229   

OK. So you're 19, and you got in bulk at 13.  That's 6 years in business.  Impressive!  You don't use Oaks(7/20/2007), and then you have 50 oaks(8/7/2007) a few weeks later.  You owned 56 machines on (7/27/07), but then you owned 150 machines just 6 days later (8/2/2007).  Of course it's tricky owning 150 machines comprised of 50 oaks (8/7/2007) and 150 GMW doubles (8/2/2007), but then again, you'd have the finesse for it, since you've been in business for 7 years (8/2/2007).  And what's nice is how rapidly you advance, having been in business for 8 years 2 days later (8/4/2007) and for 9 years just 4 days after that (8/8/2007).  Quite the savant! So 9 years, and you've been in bulk since age 13 (6/29/2007), so you're 21?  But wait, I thought you said you were 19(8/22/2007)?  One thing I know for certain, you're no dummy!  You don't fall for that bull** locator scam(7/23/2007), right?  You let us know just a few days ago that you placed all 90 of your machines yourself(11/4/2007)!

Kyle, I asked you before to do me a favor and stop picking on Seagas.  Now, instead, I'm asking you to do yourself a favor and stop picking on Seagas.

Thanks,

-Lucero

its funny how this keeps happening on every board.
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Hi everybody,

I aplogize if this has been covered already.  I did a few searches and could not find what I was looking for.

First question:

For a local charity, should I offer $1.50 per month per HEAD or per MACHINE?

Second question:

I have read lost of posts here and elsewhere regarding machines and costs, etc.  I am very drawn to the deal at Sam's Club:  http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=374161&pCatg=7273

Probably because Seaga is a quality brand and the familiarity of Walmart / Sams.

So the question is, is the deal linked above a good one?

Thanks in advance,

Mike

Mike,

Check out arrowvending.com for Seagas.   Seagas are what I use and arrow has very good prices for doubles.

Lee

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Lets try to keep this thread on topic.

Kyle, If you feel the need to respond, please do so via a PM. If you would like to respond publicly, do so in the breakroom. I am for open disclosure and do not wish to censor anyone but lets keep these posts in their proper place. 

Anyone have any other advice for Mike regarding the questions he posed in his original post?

Steve

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Excellent lead at Arrow, clvening... thanks!  The pre-ship price is just $118 there(arrowvending).  I pay $126.10 for a Seaga double shipped(samsclub for heads/bracket, amerivend stand).  I don't have an account with arrow so I can't see shipping, but it looks like those two are neck-in-neck.  Also worth noting is that at Sams, they offer red/gold, green/gold, chrome/chrome, whereas at Arrow they offer the red/gold, red/chrome, green/gold, so there are different options there. 

Hi everybody,

I aplogize if this has been covered already.  I did a few searches and could not find what I was looking for.

First question:

For a local charity, should I offer $1.50 per month per HEAD or per MACHINE?

Second question:

I have read lost of posts here and elsewhere regarding machines and costs, etc.  I am very drawn to the deal at Sam's Club:  http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=374161&pCatg=7273

Probably because Seaga is a quality brand and the familiarity of Walmart / Sams.

So the question is, is the deal linked above a good one?

Thanks in advance,

Mike

Mike,

Check out arrowvending.com for Seagas.   Seagas are what I use and arrow has very good prices for doubles.

Lee

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