quartermaine Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I have a store here in town that used to be a rather large grocery store. The new tennant is a close out retailer. There is a large lobby with an area that looks as if it were designed for a rack set up. I'm wondering if they would even notice if I just set one up in there? I have heard from other vendors who use this tactic. Sort of like the old saying, "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission." Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pusherman Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmuseStar Vending Co Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Yep, I have done it. It is a dangerous task. I would suggest you do that with a double head, not a rack. It should take you less than a minute when you do that. In & Out. with a rack it takes to long! K.G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quartermaine Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share Posted August 2, 2007 are you serious? Well I was but judging be your response im not sure anymore. Yep, I have done it. It is a dangerous task. I would suggest you do that with a double head, not a rack. It should take you less than a minute when you do that. In & Out. with a rack it takes to long! My thoughts were that if it were a rack it would be harder for them to throw it in the dumpster. Maybe they would just give me a call instead and say "what the heck?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pusherman Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i agree with kyle even tho i think he doesnt want to be my friend. i would place a single or double in there but not a rack. that is just too much money to lose if they do throw it in the trash. make sure the contact number is on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmuseStar Vending Co Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 HINT: It takes a long time to put a rack together. Have you ever put one together before? You would get caught. Kyle Guth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmuseStar Vending Co Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Or you could take 3 singles and chain them to each-other with no slack. Then it would be a pain to take to the dump!!!! K.G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pusherman Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 not if it is already loaded and put together. just take it out of the truck and set it down. i still wouldnt , too much money that you probably wont get back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pusherman Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 back to the location. why wouldnt you just talk to the owner and get it in there legit. hey mr joe store owner how about i give you some free money with that space in the lobby that you are not using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmuseStar Vending Co Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Na, then you could take a law suite out on them if thay trash it!!!!! Ha ha. No, all the places I have done this at have not trashed it. Gorilla Locating is the real name of what you do, when you throw a machine on someone!! Kyle Guth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pusherman Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 once again i am not arguing with you i am AGREEING with you. nothing wrong with gorilla locating sometimes. just wouldnt with a rack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmuseStar Vending Co Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I know that my friend! NO racks, just singles/doubles/triples! Kyle G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pusherman Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 glad to know we are friends again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmuseStar Vending Co Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 We were never NOT friends! Kyle Guth - Guth Vending - Sparta TN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quartermaine Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 back to the location. why wouldnt you just talk to the owner and get it in there legit. hey mr joe store owner how about i give you some free money with that space in the lobby that you are not using. Yeah, thats what I'm gonna do. Just wanted to ask about anybody placing machines with no authorization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserri Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 While it may seem tempting to employ this "gorilla locating" tactic, I wouldn't recommend it. It sends a negative message to location owners. Not to mention, sets you up for financial loss. Do yourself a favor and secure the location the right way. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebob051977 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 I've considered doing the exact same thing. I'm a goody too-shoe and wouldn't dare. It might be worth it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 The biggest problem with this is the potential for liability. I know that odds are in your favor that "nothing will happen." But if something does like someone chokes on a piece of candy or the machine falls over and hits an old lady in a wheelchair, etc........ How much more trouble will you be in if no one at the location ever gave you permission to even have your machine there in the first place. I know you can make the argument that if no one knows who the machine belongs to than how can they do anything? I know you can make other arguments too but I have seen some crazy lawsuits that people have won. I could list several examples but that isn't the point. The point is that if something did happen you would have nothing at all to stand on. The other point would be (especially in a smaller town) keeping your integrity and reputation as a vendor. I will say that there are locations out there where I personally know for a fact this would not be a problem. I know of two locations right now in So. Cal where I used to live that the management wouldn't even notice or care if there were a few machines around their facility. But I wouldn't recommend this tactic unless you are 100% sure it would be fine and I would base that only on inside information from people who work there and who really know you could get away with it. But even then it is a little risky. I know there are plenty of vendors out there that think this is no big at all. 10 or 12 years ago I might have done it myself had I thought of it when I had my route before. I guess you could make the argument for it under certain conditions and although I do find the idea humorous. I would not recommend it as a practice. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philo Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Another concern should be your reputation. A happy location might tell 5 others about you, an unhappy one will tell 100. I have gotten a lot of new locations from existing customers; if you go in there univited not only do you risk getting thrown out, but you might not get invited to some other places they could open up for you. Think about the long term, not the single location. Regards, Philo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kink Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Talk about used car salesman, siding contractors, and lawyers. Look in the mirror. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 There are enough locations out there that you should not do this, to me its just wrong. Karma, this type of stuff gives bulk vending a bad name, when I first started I used a locator that did this and some other stuff and Im in none of those locations today. Jimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 how did this end up going for u? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quartermaine Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 called and got a big fat no. i stick with locators. much quicker and easier for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo7068 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 One thing I often consider if I really want a location I will call first, then if I get a no I will wait a while and try in person. Never thought of going gorilla, but I have thought about walking in and acting like corporate agreed without actually mentioning it, and seeing how long it takes for the manager to contact the district manager and realize. This came about when a Subway store manager said he wanted to help, but corporate would have to approve. I called the number he gave me, and the secretary was acting like a busy body-wall when I asked to talk to the DM. She gave me the run around, and said that Subway didn't have DM's, and I would need to contact their corporate office in connecticut and offer it to all locations around the country. I still wonder how it would work out if I just walk in the store, and tell the manager I talked to corporate. I don't have to say they gave me the run around, and he should just assume it's ok if I act like it is. If they really don't have DM's I don't see how this can go wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pusherman Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 leo7068 wrote: One thing I often consider if I really want a location I will call first, then if I get a no I will wait a while and try in person. Never thought of going gorilla, but I have thought about walking in and acting like corporate agreed without actually mentioning it, and seeing how long it takes for the manager to contact the district manager and realize. This came about when a Subway store manager said he wanted to help, but corporate would have to approve. I called the number he gave me, and the secretary was acting like a busy body-wall when I asked to talk to the DM. She gave me the run around, and said that Subway didn't have DM's, and I would need to contact their corporate office in connecticut and offer it to all locations around the country. I still wonder how it would work out if I just walk in the store, and tell the manager I talked to corporate. I don't have to say they gave me the run around, and he should just assume it's ok if I act like it is. If they really don't have DM's I don't see how this can go wrong... i thought all subways were franchised. maybe they have some company owned stores also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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