antoniocinisi Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I have removed riser, large spring and opened wheels as far as possible (almost 100%). Vended nothing on 2 out of 10 quarters. The acorn cap falls nicely through the open wheels before I put it back together, then when I have it ready to vend it misvends most recently 2/10. Hmmm.... plan B. did you off set the wheel ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 did you off set the wheel ? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 18, 2009 Author Share Posted September 18, 2009 Did you try shimming up the spring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Gonna try that next. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Ok, I got #8x1/2" pan head phillips zinc screws and #8 metal or zinc washers. I am going to rig two wheels up today, it looks like 2-3 washers on one side and one on the other and pump quarters into them like a crazy kid. I'll let you know what the results are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 1st 50 quarters on Pettoo acorn caps went 100%; 2nd 50 quarters on Monkeys 2 misvends.... I think the blister display is too bulky in the Monkeys; gonna take it out and try... more tests results later. There is definite success here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I've done everything mentioned above and still get misvends. Not as many, I would say 97% success rate, still it is the 3 you hear about and the "out of order" sign goes up. I have 4 washers on the left side of the spring and 1 on the right, offset the wheel, removed the large spring and riser and opened the wheel opening all the way. The acorn cap seems to get hung up somehow. I'll just continue to use round caps as much as possible, and give the locs quarters for misvends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 is it always the same toy that misvends?I have read here that sometimes a lighter toy could result in misvends too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 It is interesting... the Monkeys are the worst, they fall apart etc., others are better. I haven't done all my acorns but I will b4 putting them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 It is interesting... the Monkeys are the worst, they fall apart etc., others are better. I haven't done all my acorns but I will b4 putting them out.funny that you mention the monkeys because that was the same toy that has been mentioned before with a misvend issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Snacks Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Do those 1-800 wheels have spring agitators? You MUST have some type of stirring mechanism for acorn caps, especially the lighter ones. Otherwise, they will mis-vend at an unacceptable percentage. Northwestern redesigned their wheel years ago to deal with this issue and IMO has the most reliable capsule wheel. Uturn also has a reliable wheel as well - believe it or not. Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 What is the difference in the wheels??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 Are you referring to the spring type wheel as opposed to the solid wheel? So far my screw on the spring with the round head becoming the end of the spring seems to have resolved the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Snacks Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 No, does the wheel itself have springs attached that go into the air to help stir the capules when a buyer spins the mech? Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Are you saying the stir arm that is a spring in some wheels. Put a screw at the end of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Snacks Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I am not familiar with 1-800 stuff and have never owned one. So I can not give specific advice on how to jury-rig one. Rather, I am trying to inform you that the wheel must have proper agitation in order to vend acorn capsules reliably. Most capsule wheels have springs attached to do this. A single piece of plastic would probably not be sufficient. Below is a Uturn capsule wheel as an example. Good luck. Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudLeiser Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I think newer 1800's have a spring at 90degree angle and older ones have a curved plastic rod both spin when he wheels turn. I believe the instructions are to put a screw directly through the spring agitator to stiffen it up. All my spring wheels are in the field so i tested my newly acquired curved plastic wheels and it seems to work but i want to test without c riser once i grab some washers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Sometimes there is a small eruption inside the cannister like something is hung up and breaks loose. It happens on the solid plastic arm and the spring arm Does the screw go in the base or the arm of the agitator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 I have some 1800's with both Spring and solid ones. As far as the screw, yes I am talking about putting a screw in the agitator spring and making the spring more solid and using the half rounded head of the screw to give the spring a rounded end instead of just the spring which seems to catch on the caps sometimes. This seems to be a great improvement to the machine vending caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 WOW, This sure turned into a project. Forget the wheels with the spring on them for vending caps out of the 1800's I have seen a ton of improvement but I still get some mis-vends. I am seeing much better results with the solid wheels. I do occasionally see a mis-vend with the solid wheel but it is rare that nothing comes out. I am going to run the solid wheels for now until I can get the round caps. Now my question is does anyone know which size round caps the Buzz Bites will fit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Can't help on Buzz Bites. I think I'll just use solid arm stirer with all other fixes and see how it goes. If it misvends it is only one time then ok so giving loc some quarters will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavity Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 1.1" round or acorn caps will fit one buzz bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudLeiser Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 So what was the final verdict please? Can we reliably vend acorns in 1800 with Spring wheel, or Solid wheel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Mine don't do 100% Bud, but close. All the fixes have definitely helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 It seems to work OK for me, enough to go ahead and get the rest of these located. I would stay away from the single spring agitator wheel and use the solid plastic wheels (they seem to work best.) David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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