davidsurvz Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I am running some capsules in 1800's. This is to resolve the issue of Buzz Bites machines jamming. I put Buzz Bites in 1.1 caps and put GB wheels in my 1800 canister and I was testing to make sure the machine would vend OK and I kept getting no vend when I deposited the coins probably 40 to 50 % of the time. I made sure the setting on the GB wheel was all the way open and still had some issues. I removed one of the springs and that really helped but I still get misvends at the location sometimes. Any advice or insight as to what I am doing wrong? I really don't want any more problems with the BB's dispensing. This is turning out to be a good location I don't want customers to put money in the machine and get no product. Is there something I am missing here??? Thnaks, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 David: You are probably vending acorn caps on the 1800? I have the same problem and have not found a solution yet other than to only vend round 1.1" caps. On 25 vends I get 1 misvend on average with the acorn cap; large spring is out and wheel all the way open and still get a misvend. They will get hung up from time to time in the cannister. Nothing you can do about it that I know of. I find owner's putting out of order signs on cannisters with acorn caps. I am just buying round caps and working my way thru the acorn's. It does really limit what you can vend; we need to keep asking the manufacturers to offer round caps on their products. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 Thanks, Does anyone know the best place for the best price on round caps? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dperry Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 ActionMatic (http://www.actionmatic.com/index2.html) out of canada sells empty round caps and even has a selection of items that come in the round caps. I especially like the smiley games that are built into the round caps. I also know that A&A will sell their items in bulk (not capped) so you can buy from A&A at the best prices and cap your own in the round caps if you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 there is a certain way you need to put the gumball wheel for it to function properly.the wheel shouldn`t be aligned the way you align it for candy but rather off set.the piece of plastic in between the 2 holes of the gumball wheel should be centered with the hole that lets the capsule fall out. when you look at it from the top 2 of the holes where the capsules fall into on the wheel will be over the hole that allows the cap to fall down the chute but only half way each.removeing the spring is also a must to vend caps with this set up.I am not sure how to explain myself better,I hope I was of help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 I am not sure I follow you could you clarify this a little please..... Thanks, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 offset the wheel so it is "in between vends" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 OK, I'll try that out. Thanks, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 hey did it work??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 Don't know yet I will have to wait until I get back to the location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 I think I have the solution to this. I shimmed up the spring with a couple of small plastic washers. It seems to have resolved the issue. Well, I did 2 other things also. I set the vend wheel to the location that Antonio recommended, and I also added a custom position to the wheel opening. I opened up all the way and drilled a set screw hole in that spot and by doing all of those things it seems to have resolved the issue. If anyone wants to try this out and I am not making the procedure very clear let me know and I will try to elaborate. Thanks for the input guys! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurtsman Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Glad to see a solution is found. I am looking to get more 1800s and intend to vend toys. I'm using 1 inch round caps since they are identical gumballs in size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 I have to add an addendum to this .............. I also removed the "riser" and I added a total of 4 washers on the one side of the spring where the capsules go into the opening to the chute. I ran a ton of tests and this resolved the issue so far 100% SUCCESS!!!!!!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I changed the wheel setting like Antonio said and did a modified test. So far 100% good; we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 You also need to remove the riser and the large spring and open wheel all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Not sure I get the washer deal... are they tightened down over the spring screw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudLeiser Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Am I reading this correctly, you rigged your 1800 to vend acorns? If so please clearer instructions and if possible pictures. I would love this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Coast Vend LLC Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hey David, I use 800's for 1" capsules all the time. If you remove the "C" insert and open up the holes all the way, and remove 1 spring, you shouldn't have any issues with miss-vends. If all the holes are not completely open, take 2 of the screws out and just tighten the one screw that allows you to open them up full. You can just drop a dozen caps in there and insert quarters and all caps will drop in easily. The round caps will work like gumballs but the acorns work as well. You don't need to offset the holes to the middle of 2 vends. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dperry Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hey David, I use 800's for 1" capsules all the time. If you remove the "C" insert and open up the holes all the way, and remove 1 spring, you shouldn't have any issues with miss-vends. If all the holes are not completely open, take 2 of the screws out and just tighten the one screw that allows you to open them up full. You can just drop a dozen caps in there and insert quarters and all caps will drop in easily. The round caps will work like gumballs but the acorns work as well. You don't need to offset the holes to the middle of 2 vends. Gary Do you do this with the candy wheel, or the gumball wheel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudLeiser Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 1st post above: It's been awhile since I've opened mine up. But I don't think the candy wheel had a C riser, and there would be no 1 spring to remove. I tried acorns in the gumball wheel before, the problem then was the acorns would not fall down far enough in the hole, and would get caught and sling shot out when the exposed part jammed up against the spring. And of course removing that spring would just make things fall out for free. So I guess if you did replace the C riser with spacers that did not limit the fall depth of the acorns that should work. 2nd post above: But now your saying you don't need the spacers either? Well if others have figured it out so can I. Next chance I get I will disassemble one again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I have been wondering why you thought you could only vend round capsules out of your machines BUDLIESER and I asked you twice what kind of machine it was but you never replied,makeing hard to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Coast Vend LLC Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 This started off as 1800 vending caps...HELP! I didn't read every post so it must have changed along the way. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 I started to post something else on this last night but lost the post accidently. This thread is dealing with vending Acorn style caps out of the 1800 mcahines. I have to add some additional information here. After messing around with the machines / wheels and running several million test vends (slight exaggeration ) I realized part of the problem is the type of GB wheel. I have some of the GB wheels that have a spring attached to them on the top part (the part that mixes up the caps / GB) the wheels with the metal springs tend to misvend ocasionally while the ones with the solid piece on the wheel seem to do much better more like 100%. I will say that I have been pushing 95% to 98% success rate on the ones with the springs after I made the adjustments / modifications. I decided to drill a screw into the center of the spring to make it solid and see if that will help improve the success rate. I won't be able to test it until tonight after I get home from work. The whole house is asleep now and it would be too loud to test. I will let you guys know if it gets better / worse, etc. Here is a link to the kind of wheel I am talking about: http://www.gumball.com/classic-gumball-wheel.aspx I also want to say that as far as Gary's description he is right on. I did still have some misvends though so that is why I placed the washers on the spring. That really took care of the problem. Here are the adjustments I made: The GB wheel openings are set to 100% open. (If the wheels don't open 100% with the factory set screw holes I make a custom "set screw" position to open them all the way, I think this is only a problem with the GB wheels that have the springs on them.) I also remove the riser (C riser) from the GB wheel set up. I remove the large spring from the bottom portion of the GB wheel and leave the small spring on the part where the caps drop through the wheel into the "candy chute." This is where you should start seeing some real success but I still seemed to have misvends taking place. I decided to "shim up" the spring where the caps fall into the chute and then I started seeing much more improvement. I used 4 small washers (approximately 1/4 inch total shim height)on the side where the caps fall into the chute and one washer on the other side. (If you decide to try this out you will need longer screws than what comes with the wheels for the side with 4 washers.) Also, make sure the spring doesn't pop up over the palstic rim piece or you will vend 2 or 3 caps some times usually followed by a misvend.) I also set the wheel in the postition mentioned by Antonio. Doing all of this seems to have worked. I am still sorting out the issue with the spring on the top part of the GB wheel. I will let everyone know when I have success there too. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted September 17, 2009 Author Share Posted September 17, 2009 Placing the screw seems to help a lot on the type of GB wheel with the spring on the top. I set a screw in the spring so the screw head actually makes a rounded end on the spring. I am still fine tuning the process but I am seeing success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I have removed riser, large spring and opened wheels as far as possible (almost 100%). Vended nothing on 2 out of 10 quarters. The acorn cap falls nicely through the open wheels before I put it back together, then when I have it ready to vend it misvends most recently 2/10. Hmmm.... plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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