davidsurvz Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 I am going to attempt this with non 1800 machines just the regular "classic style" machines and see how successful I am there. I would think I would have the same success since the wheels are exactly the same the edges of the brush housing are just cut off to fit in the 1800 canisiters. I'll let you guys know how it goes. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 OK, so far I have very similar results with the classic style machines. No mods to the spring as far as shimming the spring yet and only 1 misvend. Just wanted to pass along the info. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudLeiser Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 OK, so far I have very similar results with the classic style machines. No mods to the spring as far as shimming the spring yet and only 1 misvend. Just wanted to pass along the info. David 1 misvend in 2, 1in10,1in100? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theonet Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 some people mentioned putting BB in 1.1" rounds. Wanted to report that I tried that and the BB would not fit in the rounds. I went to the acorns and they fit fine. I am using the acorns in the 1-800s with no problem. It's been a few months so I don't recall exactly how I set it up. I think all I did was remove the gray riser underneath the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 1 misvend in 2, 1in10,1in100? approx 40 vends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I made a rack with 2 1800 machines with all toys.I just got done drilling and resizeing the gap the caps fall through.I never thought of that thanks davidsurvz !! all the agitators are the plastic ball tipped kind but one is spring type.it only has 1 spring but room for two,how many springs do you guys have on yours?this is my 1 and only spring type wheel. I think it would help to put a stiffer spring with a big fat screw to hold it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 I tried the screw idea and it didn't quite work but oddly enough the spring agitator I am using seems to be working alright for the caps I am vending. (I am using the caps for DI along with the Buzz Bites.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Coast Vend LLC Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 I have been trying to figure out why 1800's and my LYPC's have been mis-vending at such a high rate. I finally changed over 142 wheels in my LYPC machines to Oak capsule wheels, and they work great! No more mis-vends. Now that I can really look at the construction of a real capsule wheel, I can see why the 800's and LYPC's do not work correctly. First, the center post on the Oak wheel is like an agitator on a washing machine. It is not a smooth shaft like the 800/LYPC's. Capsules are moved around the shaft on every turn of the wheel. 800/LYPC's just stay in the same place while the smooth shaft turns around. Second, the holes in the wheel are larger so all 1" and 1.1" and self-vend products fall in the holes every time. Third, the two springs that cover the hole are attached under the hole instead of on top where the screw heads and springs catch on to the capsules edges and hold back the capsules from falling in the holes. Finally, the center shaft is longer and the agitator spring is longer and very stiff. When you turn the coin handle, the whole canister of capsules moves around. Gary The top 2 pictures are the new Oak capsule wheels. You can see what I mean about the center agitator and the springs attached under the spring housing. The third picture is the LYPC wheel and spring housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Gary:did you try opening up the 1800 wheels all the way by drilling new holes in the wheels? I guess that didnt help?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Coast Vend LLC Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 The size of the holes is the last thing to worry about with mis-vending wheels. It's definitely the center agitator shaft design that has fixed the problem along with the taller shaft and longer agitator spring. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavity Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Do the Oak wheels mesh with the gears on the 1 800's coin mech alright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Coast Vend LLC Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 They don't work with the 800's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Coast Vend LLC Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 The Oak wheels work with the LYPC machines. I haven't tried the 800's yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 I discovered the improvement when I used the A&A capsule wheel for vending Buzz Bites (in caps) to replace an actual Buzz Bite machine at a location. (They have the same design as the OAK wheels.) I am very impressed with the A&A machines mechanically. The A&A wheel vends very smoothly and drops a capsule every time. The only difference on the A&A machine with capsule and Gumballs is that the GB set up has the riser in it and the capsule set up doesn't. I am very impressed with the A&A machines operation. They run very smoothly. The first few times I ran quarters through the capsule machine I didn't think anything came out because I was so used to how much tension was on the 1800's vending the capsules. (I haven't decided what I am going to do as far as all the capsule machines yet but I may swap them out from 1800's to A&A capsules, fortunately it isn't that many machines just a few.) I think all the steps I took with the 1800's were very successful but I am only in the 95 to 98% range on the capsule vends. (That is a huge improvement but I want to keep as many customers as possible coming back to my machines.) I would rather see 100% and not lose 1 customer over a mis-vend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I tried drilling a 2 inch screw through the middle of the plastic agitator to see if that would help stir the caps up.it worked very well untill the whole plastic stirer broke off and ruined a cap wheel. I am wondering if screwing a longer screw sideways would help.I know by doing so you can`t put the canister in the middle spot of the machine but I figure haveing to buy 2 good selling round cap toys in those selctions has to be easier then finding 6 of them.I am not sure if the wheel will actually spin though but I am done for tonite,tomorrow I will experiment more.I will do the washer thing since I haven`t done that yet.I only have 1 out of 3 selections be toys in round caps so far in some 1800 machines that have a toy selection and I have snack attack in 1 and I have heard no complaints fortunately.haveing 6 selections all on 1 rack could lead to more then 1 misvend a day and that could get a machine booted,so my all toy 1800 rack will have to sit longer untill we figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I was looking at the design of the agitator from A&A and it is simple. Seems to work very well. It is similar to what Gary mentioned previously. I am planning on trying to design something that I can actually attach to the GB wheel that will be the same design to replace the wheels I am using now. It may take me a while but I am determined to figure something out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 any updates?I havent tried my experiment yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 Not yet...................... :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsurvz Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 I haven't had time to attempt to adjust / design / modify the GB wheel to be more similar to the A&A style wheel yet but things will slow down for me in a week or so and I can hopefully start working on it then. (No promises though, I can't believe how busy remodeling my kitchen, the holidays, certification testing for my regular job, my wife, 5 kids and house and vending business, etc,etc, etc. keep me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Have found the plastic arms in the 1800 gb wheel are snapping off way too much. Has anyone found a solution to the plastic agitator arm breaking off, either as a preventative fix or after the break? I will be using ony the spring agitator arm until a solution can be found (for toys). This is a priority so will post if I can find a dependable fix. Does any other GB wheel work with the 1800 setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoniocinisi Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 if you read thru these pages I think west coast vend said a super pro wheel will work,but check to make sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Vending Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Oak wheels will not work with 1800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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