agrantha Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 HillBilly are you there? I just painted a candy machine (NorthWestern Super 60) red. The top is not as shiny as the other parts I painted. Should I use a clear coat gloss. I used Rust-O-Leum high gloss caution red to paint the machine. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 HillBilly are you there? I just painted a candy machine (NorthWestern Super 60) red. The top is not as shiny as the other parts I painted. Should I use a clear coat gloss. I used Rust-O-Leum high gloss caution red to paint the machine. Thanks From my experience this is what I've learned. Of course I don't understand everything I know about it When painting the tops of machines you generally lay them down flat right? The rest of the parts are taller than the lid and the spray paint can is more upright when spraying. The can is more flat like when painting the lids because of the angle of the can. Try propping up the lids against something, then painting, and see if that helps matters. If it doesn't and you have to clear coat just buy clear gloss. Make sure the piece is really dry or you will end up with crows feet all over it or an orange peel look. Crows feet happens when the paint underneath hasn't dried all the way. Orange peel is contaminants on the last layer of paint. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrantha Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 From my experience this is what I've learned. Of course I don't understand everything I know about it When painting the tops of machines you generally lay them down flat right? The rest of the parts are taller than the lid and the spray paint can is more upright when spraying. The can is more flat like when painting the lids because of the angle of the can. Try propping up the lids against something, then painting, and see if that helps matters. If it doesn't and you have to clear coat just buy clear gloss. Make sure the piece is really dry or you will end up with crows feet all over it or an orange peel look. Crows feet happens when the paint underneath hasn't dried all the way. Orange peel is contaminants on the last layer of paint. Good luck. Thanks to the #1 refurb man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainor5251 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 From my experience this is what I've learned. Of course I don't understand everything I know about it When painting the tops of machines you generally lay them down flat right? The rest of the parts are taller than the lid and the spray paint can is more upright when spraying. The can is more flat like when painting the lids because of the angle of the can. Try propping up the lids against something, then painting, and see if that helps matters. If it doesn't and you have to clear coat just buy clear gloss. Make sure the piece is really dry or you will end up with crows feet all over it or an orange peel look. Crows feet happens when the paint underneath hasn't dried all the way. Orange peel is contaminants on the last layer of paint. Good luck. Hillbilly was clearing coating some machines this morning and the lids turned out great but when I did the body it immediately look like paint was being ate away is this the orange peel effect? It had been 48 hours since they were painted, so they were dry. What contaminates could cause this? these machines have to go out tomorrow so will have to skip clear coat this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick505 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 That would be orange peel at its finest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberframe50 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 mainor your great how did you do that? I've been trying to get that look for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainor5251 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 mainor your great how did you do that? I've been trying to get that look for years. wish I knew then I could stop doing it and get machines clear coated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberframe50 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Well I would wait for the expert but when I have had this trouble it was one of 2 things, high humitity, the cleaner I used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainor5251 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Well I would wait for the expert but when I have had this trouble it was one of 2 things, high humitity, the cleaner I used. painted inside and did not clean machines with anything after painting just wiped off with dry cloth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will.vend Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 painted inside and did not clean machines with anything after painting just wiped off with dry cloth Im not sure why you would even bother with a clear coat! I never use a clear coat it's just more work, once it's on location no one will know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberframe50 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I was talking about the cleaner before paint. I sometimes have the cleaner reside left on my hands and when I pick up the part to spray it the paint won't stick.at that point it's resand ans spray again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainor5251 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 So if I'm just gonna sand and paint (skipping the primer and clear coat) what is the best thing to clean machines with in between sanding and painting to not contaminate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick505 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 lacquer thinner works great to remove oils and dirt and also the paint will stick to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainor5251 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 lacquer thinner works great to remove oils and dirt and also the paint will stick to it. alright then I'll give it a try, I got to get some more ready for locators r us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick505 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Yup. The lacquer works great to remove oils and dirt. Most paints have lacquer in them so that is the reason it doesn't affect the paint sticking to it. I am actually in the process of painting my car and that is what I use to clean is used to clean it before spraying primer or paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will.vend Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 So if I'm just gonna sand and paint (skipping the primer and clear coat) what is the best thing to clean machines with in between sanding and painting to not contaminate? I keep it simple when repainting equipment, I dont use primer or clear coat or any type cleaners to remove dirt. ( cleaners give you the most trouble with orange peel etc...) but, I do use a 150 grit sand paper to remove surface grime and old paint and then follow up with a 220 fine grit to smooth the surface, I then use a dry clean cloth to remove dust. In the summer time I move painted pieces inside immediately because of the high humidity (also because of orange peel problem) I use rustoleum safety red from lowes http://rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=95&sid=7564838 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick505 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I have to disagree with you on that one Will! cleaners have nothing to do with orange peel! The orange peel comes from many factors. The distance when spraying, spraying patterns, wind, and most importantly the clear coat itself. As far as cleaning it I wouldn't use anything other than lacquer thinner to clean the surface otherwise the paint will not stick. As for vending machines I would avoid the clear all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will.vend Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I have to disagree with you on that one Will! cleaners have nothing to do with orange peel! The orange peel comes from many factors. The distance when spraying, spraying patterns, wind, and most importantly the clear coat itself. As far as cleaning it I wouldn't use anything other than lacquer thinner to clean the surface otherwise the paint will not stick. As for vending machines I would avoid the clear all together. im sure you know more about the cleaners than me but when I stopped using them my problems went away, ive never used lacquer thinner though. Im not saying my way is the right way or even the best way its just what I have narrowed it down to while eliminating any problems. I will give the lacquer thinner a try though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick505 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Im no pro but when it comes to painting my car I researched it to avoid rubbing my whole car with a buffing pad and rubbing compound! Anyways yea the lacquer won't create any problems. When you buy a quart of paint and mix it yourself you actually use lacquer to thin the paint down. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Im no pro but when it comes to painting my car I researched it to avoid rubbing my whole car with a buffing pad and rubbing compound! Anyways yea the lacquer won't create any problems. When you buy a quart of paint and mix it yourself you actually use lacquer to thin the paint down. Hope this helps. Nick gives pretty good advice. He is in the business. My experience comes from selling Dupont paint for years and working with painters and there painting problems. Mainor: From the look of that picture, it is probably the cleaner or adhesive remover that was used to clean or remove the Mylar. If no Mylar was on it then it is simply the oil from your hands. I've seen problems arise from using Silicone Permatex or Armor All in the same repair shop. You just never know what will cause problems. Humidity and dirt are the most common factors. Use lacquer thinner like Nick said or buy a gallon of some type of final wash. Available at most automotive stores. I use Dupont Prepsol when I have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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