InOne USI Snack Machine Upgrade Info

[Arnie InOne]

I've probably spoken to many of you on the phone when providing technical support, so thank you for allowing me to assist you all.  I receive many calls daily related to our USI upgrade kits that I feel its best to share with this community some really helpful information regarding USI equipment.  InOne has been supporting USI snack machines since 2010 with both F80 and Versatile replacement upgrades.  In 2019 we redesigned our Versatile controller replacement kit to support additional model machines.  Both USI snack machine upgrade kits support use of the original 24v factory dumbmech changer and 24v pulse validator while still allowing use of any credit card system or PayRange device or you can use MDB changers and validators if you choose.  Additionally, if your machine already has factory iVend sensors, and they still work, you may reuse them with the InOne controller. Pre-kitting data can be retrieved using DEX or through MDB product codes which allow real time data. This writeup should add some clarity regarding use of InOne USI upgrade kits.

InOne USI Kit Information:

USI3100-1L OneBoard Kit (To Replace USI F80 Controller Based Machines) supports models: 3114, 3115, 3116, 3117, 3119, 3120, 3129, 3130, 3132, 3140, 3141. Part# 383016 and product description RVMC-USI3100-1L

USISM36-1 OneBoard Kit (To Replace USI Versatile Controller Based Machines) supports models: 3013, 3014, 3015, 3020, 3021, 3022, 3023, 3024, 3025, 3026, 3039, 3045, 3046, 3053, 3054, 3076, 3077, 3084, 3085, 3091, 3141, 3142, 3143, 3149, 3157, 3158, 3159, 3160, 3184, 3185. Part# 383152 and product description RVMC-USISM36-1

Important USI Kit Info:

* We cannot support snack machines with side/satellite cabinets

* Power and keypad adaptor cables included in the USISM36 kit are only necessary for machines with 3-pin power and 11-pin keypad. Do not use the provided adaptor cables on machines with 10-pin power and 13-pin keypad. The biggest issue I support with this kit is incorrect use of USISM36 kit adaptor cables. The cables are used on certain model machines only. 

* Controller can be mounted any way you want, keypad up or down, whatever works best in your situation.

* All 6 controller switches should be OFF unless your machine needs the keypad & power adaptor cables in which case switch 3 should be turned ON to set the keypad correctly. If using vend sensors, turn switch 4 ON as well, otherwise leave OFF.

* 13-pin keypads use # enter/execute, * cancel or back out, F is up, G is down for service mode, controller switch number 3 OFF

* 11-pin keypads use E enter/execute, D cancel or back out, F is up, G is down for service mode, controller switch number 3 ON

* One payment device is sufficient to operate a machine with any InOne kit.  Card readers can be supported as the only payment device without the need for a coinmech or validator.  You can be 100% credit card only if you choose, many people don’t know this.

* Some USI machines, 3039-3046 GF-19 snack machines will most likely need a 34" extra length display cable if reach is an issue, available on our website at inone.tech

* USI machines use 24v payment devices, 110v payment devices are NOT supported. You can keep the original dumbmech or replace to MDB, same for the validator, most USI use Coinco validators, typically BA32SA. InOne controllers are flexible with payment devices to allow greater flexibility for field personnel servicing machines. You can use an MDB changer and pulse validator or MDB validator and dumbmech.  Some kits are MDB only, for example, AP 4/5000, AP 120, AP Studio SL & ST all require MDB peripherals, all other kits can use legacy payment devices and MDB interchangeably.

* Both USI kits include a guaranteed vend sensor harness so you can reuse or repurpose factory iVend sensors to work with the InOne controller.  We do have a separate USI sensor kit available for 3000 series machines if needed, 10-0079-00 sensors, p/n: 383088. We don’t supply a separate sensor assembly for 3100 cabinets.  New USISM36-1 kits have started shipping with a new iVend sensor harness, the USI 3100 kit already includes the sensor harness. Both harnesses are different, meaning kit specific and NOT interchangeable between F80 and Versatile style controllers. The 11-1700-15 iVend sensor harness is included in USI3100 kits while 11-1700-36 harness is included in the USISM36-1 kits. 

Machine Specific Info:

  Most older USI snack machines use a 10-pin power cable to supply the factory controller with 28vac and 13-pin keypad as used in 3014, 3015, 3039, etc...  If your machine has this style, then just plug the keypad harness directly to J4 on the InOne board.  Likewise, just plug the power cable into J1, no adaptor cables used.

 Newer USI machines, like 3053, 3054, 3185, etc.. use a 3-pin power cable to supply the factory controller with 28vac and an 11-pin keypad.  For this style machine both adaptor cables are needed supplied in the kit. If the original power cable to the controller uses 3 pins respectively, solid orange, green, orange/white you must use the 11-1700-21 power adaptor cable.  If your machine has the 11-pin keypad (count the missing pin) then you'll need the 11-1700-20 keypad adaptor.  Plug the 11-pin side of the adaptor cable to the keypad harness and then the 13-pin side to controller at J4. Switch number 3 on the controller should be turned ON for 11-pin keypads, OFF for 13-pin keypads.

Supporting factory iVend sensors:

If you intend to reuse the USI factory iVend sensors with an InOne controller, you must use an MDB changer. For both USI kits we sell, one leg of the sensor adapter “Y” harness (green & brown wires) will plug into J6 micromech to power the factory sensors.  The second (optical) connection (black & white wires) plug to J9, drop sensor.  Ensure switch number 4 on the controller is turned ON to activate sensors, then go into “Options” menu and set “Motor Stop” for “Both” or “Drop”. If set for Both, the selection rotates one full revolution and stops at home and puts a message on the display to “please make another choice”.  If set for “Drop” the selection rotates one full revolution, if product drop is not detected, the vend motor will turn at half speed, 2-3 turns to force the product to drop without requiring the customer to do anything else.  The choice is yours to make what motor stop position you choose.  Usually motor stop “Both” is best for public locations having various random individuals using the machine.  For other accounts where the machine is used daily by the same people, maybe “Drop” is the better choice.  ProTip: You can home all the motors in the machine on any InOne controller by pressing the Service Mode button followed by 5 on the keypad. Be aware that its possible all the motors home, so have a box handy to catch product.  Most times, just the one or 2 motors that are not homed will be the only motors that home.

Common Issues:

Problem: No power or weak power to changer or validator, not taking coins or bills, board is powered up, heartbeat is flashing once per second, display reads insert money.  Frequently this is caused by improper use of the power adaptor cable on machines that don’t require their use.  Some people accidently plug into a 3-pin pigtail that’s not 24 volts using the power adaptor cable supplied in the kit, so there’s not enough power to make the changer and bill validator work and barely enough power to power the InOne board.  One resolution is to plug in the 10-pin power cable directly to J1 to supply appropriate 24-28vac power to the controller. If this is already done correctly, then the problem is caused by a machine harness plugged in to the controller that shouldn’t be.  If you intend to use MDB payment devices, do not plug in the pulse validator or micromech connection to the control board, J6 and J7, just leave them as is or remove harnessing from machine entirely. Having micromech and pulse plugged into the controller when trying to use MDB devices will confuse the controller and cause the machine to not accept any coins and/or bills.  

 

Problem:  Not taking bills and/or giving credit briefly but then vanishes or returns the bill.  Almost always caused by Coinco BA32SA validators.  Check switch 3 on the control box for the Coinco validator and make sure it’s turned OFF for pulse mode. Follow the validator cable until you find the smoke-colored plastic box with switch bank, inside turn switch 3 OFF.  Typically, the validator is set to serial to work with the factory controller.  If installing the kit, just try a bill first before bothering to look at switch 3.  It’s a 50-50 gamble, some are set ok, others not.  Many times, the validator works just fine and nothing needs to be done, so try a bill first to make sure the machine vends, if it doesn’t, check switch 3 position.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AngryChris]

Are you guys working on AMS boards?  I only have one older sensit1 but I know many people ask here because the cost to upgrade from a sensit1 to a sensit 3 is so expensive 

[Arnie InOne]

Unfortunately, we will not be able to manufacture replacement kits for AMS, probably due to licensing issues.  I know their upgrade process is quite expensive, they do make a nice machine for sure.

[tblake05]

Anything on the horizon for usi drink machines? Specifically 3189?

[Arnie InOne]

 I believe something is in the works, but when more information is available I'll leave a comment

[Arnie InOne]

To follow up with drink machine support, I do have some preliminary info to share although my knowledge is limited with USI and Royal drink machines.  I have more experience with Vendo and Dixie.  InOne expects to have 2 soda machine upgrade kits available in Q123.  One kit is being engineered to replace the factory controller in USI 3189/CB500 drink machines and the other kit is designed to upgrade Royal 650 drink machines that used the original Merlin controller, both 24vdc vend motors  Both kits provide MDB, cashless capability and telemetry and include new controller, OLED display plus any cabling needed to facilitate the upgrade. As I understand it, both factory keypads will continue to be used with the upgrade.  All InOne controllers can provide DEX or MDB codes to get pre-kitting info. MDB codes give "real time" data versus a scheduled DEX read which can have stale information by the time you get to the machine. I'm only familiar with Nayax card readers so I don't know what other companies offer, but Nayax has a MoMa app that enables you to view sales history in real time which some people really like.  When I receive more detailed information about the drink upgrades I'll pass that on immediately.

[AngryChris]

How exciting!!

[tblake05]

Great!

[Arnie InOne]

Thanks guys, we're excited too!  From what I know, minimal parts will need to be replaced during the upgrade, so installation should be very similar to a snack machine upgrade. Basically, install new control board, new OLED display assembly and a few cables that are needed, then configure motors and price the machine and installation is complete.

[tblake05]

I like! But Unless it is super inexpensive, it’s a lttle late for me though. I was able to fit a 3151 board in my only 3189 for credit readers.

doesn’t mean in the future I won’t get another 3189. In fact, I’ve been avoiding buying that machine because of no cc. Now I won’t have to.

but thanks for listening to end users. Something a lot of companies don’t do.

[tblake05]

On 10/31/2022 at 12:26 PM, Arnie InOne said:

Thanks guys, we're excited too!  From what I know, minimal parts will need to be replaced during the upgrade, so installation should be very similar to a snack machine upgrade. Basically, install new control board, new OLED display assembly and a few cables that are needed, then configure motors and price the machine and installation is complete.

Arnie, maybe a bit premature, but any idea if the InOne option for the 3189 will also work in the 3179 (using the mcb12 board)?

only reason I ask is there’s a 3179 for sale cheap in my area from a motivated seller, and I have a spot picked out, but would need to be certain I could have a payrange.

[Arnie InOne]

20 hours ago, tblake05 said:

Arnie, maybe a bit premature, but any idea if the InOne option for the 3189 will also work in the 3179 (using the mcb12 board)?

only reason I ask is there’s a 3179 for sale cheap in my area from a motivated seller, and I have a spot picked out, but would need to be certain I could have a payrange.

That's a good question, we hope so, but I don't have a definitive answer at this time without actually trying the kit and running it through its paces.  There may be some compatibility issues, but its still early in development and we haven't done any beta testing yet to work through any kinks we may find, whether its software or hardware related.  We may find the 3189 upgrade kit will work in CB300, but I cant vouch for that yet. Not the answer you wanted, but I don't want to lead you astray either.  I promise to follow back up with new information as it becomes available to me. 

[labryan3]

1. Yes I'd like to know when a control board comes available as well for the 3179. I have three that don't display correctly and causes a lot of customer complaints and loss in sales. They function properly otherwise but makes it a challenge to change settings.

[tblake05]

1 hour ago, labryan3 said:

1. Yes I'd like to know when a control board comes available as well for the 3179. I have three that don't display correctly and causes a lot of customer complaints and loss in sales. They function properly otherwise but makes it a challenge to change settings.

Just get a new control board. You can prob find the mcb12 on the cheap.

otherwise if your good at soldering, you could change the display portion only.

[labryan3]

I contacted Vendnet.usa and they don't make or sell the boards anymore. They said they could send mine off to be repaired for $234 each so that might be my only option. Hope not. I'm not sure what you mean by mcb12. I can solder ok but have no idea where to get the right display.

[tblake05]

Here's one from D&S that should work if you are good at soldering and desoldering.

https://www.dsvendinginc.com/p-7013-d13600019-01-ap-studio-sl-display-board.aspx

 

Otherwise, I think I can dig up a digikey part number for one I replaced a few years back that was only 25.00 at that time.

 

[tblake05]

8 hours ago, labryan3 said:

I contacted Vendnet.usa and they don't make or sell the boards anymore. They said they could send mine off to be repaired for $234 each so that might be my only option. Hope not. I'm not sure what you mean by mcb12. I can solder ok but have no idea where to get the right display.

I am almost 100% certain both display elements from the cb700 and the cb500 and cb300 (with the MCB12 board) use the same display.  Have to desolder the old panel and solder on the new one.

[labryan3]

Thanks! I'll get one coming to try my luck.

[tblake05]

27 minutes ago, labryan3 said:

Thanks! I'll get one coming to try my luck.

Before you do, read this.

 

[tblake05]

And why are three of your machines having the same problem...?  Weird.