mission vending Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 update smh so I plugged the machine up put some sodas in all 6 of the slots and two of the slots don't dispense and while I had it open and on which I don't know If I should have done that any way I saw sparks coming from the wiring between where the machine closes up yea and the sparks turned into a small fire but I unplugged it quick before it could do any damage ohhh boy I guess I should have just bought the referbed one but by the time I'm done working on this one I should have it down packed how hard is it to change the wiring on a dixie narco 276 coke series 60?? or should I just pay some one to do it If you are going to stay in full line then you might as well learn how to do it yourself. That's an easy fix. Best fix requires a soldering iron and heat shrink tubing with a heat gun. Cut open the harness and cut the burned wires, put on tubing, solder together and shrink the tubing on the splice. Next best would be get some male and female spade connectors, cut open the harness and burned wires and attach the connectors and put them together. The redneck solution is to cut open the harness and strip the ends of the burned wires, twist them together and wrap in electrical tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leetvend Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 The redneck solution is to cut open the harness and strip the ends of the burned wires, twist them together and wrap in electrical tape. Sounds like a good fix to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDERSONVENDING Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Sounds like a good fix to me! yea what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 If you are going to stay in full line then you might as well learn how to do it yourself. That's an easy fix. Best fix requires a soldering iron and heat shrink tubing with a heat gun. Cut open the harness and cut the burned wires, put on tubing, solder together and shrink the tubing on the splice. Next best would be get some male and female spade connectors, cut open the harness and burned wires and attach the connectors and put them together. The redneck solution is to cut open the harness and strip the ends of the burned wires, twist them together and wrap in electrical tape. let me see if I'm on the right track with this do you think these will be good enough for the task or do you think I can just buy the wiring for less and put it in my self soldering gun kit http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Power-Tools-Torches-Soldering-Irons-Solder/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbudi/R-100085564/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051 heat gun http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202102620/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=heat%20gun&storeId=10051 heat shrinking tubing http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202204319/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=Splice%20Kit&storeId=10051 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparta_Automation Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Stay away from the soldering guns....way to many watts.....go with a soldering iron. http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/catalog/servlet/Search?keyword=soldering+iron&selectedCatgry=SEARCH+ALL&langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053&Ns=None&Ntpr=1&Ntpc=1 Dealing with small wires, a soldering iron is all that you need......and it's much easier to get into tight spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogcow Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 go to harbor freight not home depot. save some dough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 so I'm up early checking the machine out and here are the wires that were sparking and catching on fire all four of the small wires have little cuts over the plastic but the large one seems to be intact so I see that harbor freight is cheaper on the supplies about 21.27 before tax soldering iron http://www.harborfreight.com/30-watt-120-volt-soldering-iron-47887.html heat gun http://www.harborfreight.com/1500-watt-dual-temperature-heat-gun-572-1112-96289.html heat shrinking tubing http://www.harborfreight.com/10mm-x-5m-heat-shrink-tubing-98067.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walta Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I would bet the wires the sparked go to the light ballast. If I am correct they are solid wire not stranded wire. Solid wire is like the wires installed in the walls of your home. Stranded wire is like the wires in a lamp cord lots of little wires all twisted together. You can only bend a solid wire a so many times before it breaks and you get sparks. If you find solid wires you will need to replace them with stranded wire any place it is likely to move when you open and closes the door. The way lawyers are today I can’t believe Dixie got away without paying for a few fires. PS Moving refrigerated equipment on its back or side is asking for problems. Walta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparta_Automation Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Also....in a pinch, a match works well for shrinking small diameter heat shrink. Just have to be careful of the flame. Travis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 I would bet the wires the sparked go to the light ballast. If I am correct they are solid wire not stranded wire. Solid wire is like the wires installed in the walls of your home. Stranded wire is like the wires in a lamp cord lots of little wires all twisted together. You can only bend a solid wire a so many times before it breaks and you get sparks. If you find solid wires you will need to replace them with stranded wire any place it is likely to move when you open and closes the door. The way lawyers are today I can’t believe Dixie got away without paying for a few fires. PS Moving refrigerated equipment on its back or side is asking for problems. Walta you sir were correct so whats the best and quickest solution buying another one and if so where would I get it from dixie narco? or trying to solder each tiny wire back on? I see where it runs to the plastic piece in the machine is going to be easy to take out but it attaches directly to the bottom of the right light bulb and it looks difficult to get out. ANY SUGGESTIONS Please I should rename this thread Help the new guy refurbish a machine LOL thanks every one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogcow Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 best and quickest solution, throw your machine up on craigs list and hope to cash in on the "theory of the greater fool" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 best and quickest solution, throw your machine up on craigs list and hope to cash in on the "theory of the greater fool" now thats a thought LOL I only paid 300 bucks for it so its worth trying to get it on the right track if I learn how to fix in the process that will prepare me for other machines in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technivend Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I would get some butt connectors and a good crimping tool and just repair the wires. If the insulation is melted you may have to cut some of the wire back. Most lighting in Dixie's at the lights is done with splice connectors anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 I would get some butt connectors and a good crimping tool and just repair the wires. If the insulation is melted you may have to cut some of the wire back. Most lighting in Dixie's at the lights is done with splice connectors anyway. so it doesn't matter if they get connected to the wrong wire? about 3 of the small wires are completely cut/burnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walta Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 You need about 8 feet of lamp cord and 10 but connectors. Get the old wires out of the tubes. Get the new wires in the tubes. Connect the new wires to the old ones close to the ballast. Connect the new wires to the old ones inside the door where there are not likely to move. Yes it does matter which wire connect where. If you look at the ballast you should find a wire diagram. Walta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 finally got time from my bulk vending to get back to the soda machine so I pulled wiring off today. I think I would catch hell trying to do fix on this one going to email dixie narco and see if I can get a part number and price for it hopefully its cheap if not I'm going to go ahead and try to patch it up then after this I have to figure out why two slots won't vend LOL In a sec I Will be able to break a soda machine down with a blind fold on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walta Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 You only have half the lamp circuit in that photo. The ballast is still in the base of the machine. Dixie is unlikely to have that assembly as they moved the ballast to the door in newer equipment. Once you remove the ballast you will see the wiring diagram then it’s an easy fix. Walta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 You only have half the lamp circuit in that photo. The ballast is still in the base of the machine. Dixie is unlikely to have that assembly as they moved the ballast to the door in newer equipment. Once you remove the ballast you will see the wiring diagram then it’s an easy fix. Walta dude your so right its not even funny dixie had to refer me to some one that sells old machines and he has to look at machines like it to find me a wire harness going to take the ballast out this evening and give it a whirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walta Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 The worst part is getting the new wire in side the old tube so it is less likley to be damaged. Walta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 so yea the sticker on top of ballast is totally faded out and peeling off im guessing that was where the wiring diagram was smh so I didn't bother to take it off my only hope is to find an old harness for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walta Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Post a photo of the ballast that shows the wires colors and I will find something close enough. Walta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poplady1 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 This post reads like a vending novel. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 Post a photo of the ballast that shows the wires colors and I will find something close enough. Walta The worst part is getting the new wire in side the old tube so it is less likley to be damaged. Walta I was thinking just get heat shrinking tubing three are cut and the other three are holding on by the burnt plastic so they will be easy to reattach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walta Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I am assuming your lamps HO type with an oval pin on each end. Walta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenewguy Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 I am assuming your lamps HO type with an oval pin on each end. Walta ok so the yellow would be to the top light ho and the blue and red would be to the bottom am I correct I am going to have a rough time with the plastic wrapped around it to trace the broken wires smh ohh well let me get to work stripping the top down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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