The ParSal chicken just got bigger!

[Frank]

Hi Billnuts. You seem to allude that we have lowered the price because of cheap imports coming in. I believe it is needed to let everyone know that the price has not changed nor is it in that price range you are suggesting

Thank you for your past purchases of our chicken machine through Shaffer and for the future orders.

[havending]

Ok,

They have known the price from day one.

No one goes to china.

Has a Custom machine designed 6-12 months ago..

Approves a proto-type

Then has several 100's of them made without knowing

How much is my cost to get it stateside?

What can I sell it for?

And what can I expect people to honestly pay?

NOBODY.... unless I have a bridge to sell you

to be honest

These are the only reasons chickens were able to charge $1500 a AAC and actually sell them at that price

For a limited time till the knock off and copy's invaded

1: SIZE

2: Nostalgia wow I remember that from the 80's

3: Graphics and Lighting

4: Reputation / History

Now that the copy's and imports are here you have to lower your price to match to $800-$1000.00

Now you come in with this.. 2-4 inch capsule vendor

80% of everything made by OK mfg. used 4 inch capsules.. nothing new and operators know that 4 inch capsule machines

like gravity hill don't earn what they used to.

Then you increase the size of the machine to 28x30x70 280 lbs

That's standard crane size 24x24 is candy cranes...

and 31x33 is toy taxi - toy soldier size and height

Standard cranes are $1600-$2000 new..

so unless you can come in A lot cheaper than a standard crane price its not worth it for any operator to use.

$1400.00 is about right cheaper than a crane...

the only people who might buy this is an arcade owner for something new.

And to respond to Freddy's posts

1: Mom and Dad Are Dumb.. even if you put a neon flashing sign on it PLAY TILL YOU WIN... all they will see is $3.00 to $5.00 to play that NO!!!!!

YOU COULD PAY SOMEONE TO STAND NEXT TO IT WITH A CHICKEN COSTUME SAYING PLAY TILL YOU WIN!! and they wont get it..

See the movie clerks for a good example of what I mean.

2: Second its hard enough to get a $1.00 out of these morons we call customers let alone $3.00

3: if you have it set at a $3.00 vend.. you better have it 2 for $5.00 or the morons will think the machine is going to give them change back..

and they will go to the location owner pissed wanting their $2.00 refund etc..

4: You will lose the location with this machine... period. customers don't read or look.... they will insert a $1.00 and nothing will happen

then they will complain to the owner it took my money...

The owner will get sick of it and boot it out.. period owners don't care that the customers are dumb and don't understand they don't want to be bothered

Customers are dumb as a box of roofing hammers..

I had a customer complain that my toy taxi didn't give him $.50 cents back when he inserted a $1.00 so yes this is all TRUE..

I have keymasters with $600 prizes its hard enough to get mom to fork over a $1.00 let alone $5 for a ball toy!

And to answer 4 inch capsule other vendors?

Beaver Has infla-tu

Allstar has a 4 inch ball vendor

and all the stuff ok mfg makes and others have made

bill

The reason IMO that the larger machine came out is progress. The first one was a hit so you build upon the concept. Like every other company key master to key master color and now to the 100% skill version. Gravity hill to gravity hill extreme standard beaver to a tri tower. Progress is a must in this business. To demand a supplier give the prices that a dist may charge is crazy. Sure he may have an idea but final prices are up to the dist or reseller. Bill your a chicken owner and looks like your trying to get your competition not to buy any smart move.

[Frank]

In response to the emails regarding product for the All American Chicken Machines:

 

A&A Global Industries and Cardinal Distributing both have a wonderful assortment of toy or candy filled eggs for the 2 inch capsule line.   

 

http://www.aaglobal.com/bulk-vending/bulk-vending-toys/2-inch-capsuled-toys/DELUC-deluxe-gold-eggs-bulk-vending.htm#sthash.imCYyj2o.dpbs

 

http://www.cardinaldist.com/category.php?id=17

 

You can purchase empty eggs from Cardinal Distributing and fill with toys or candy purchased from any other supplier that you presently deal with.. (i.e. Rhode Island Novelty, Brand Imports, Flatline, Impulse Amusements, TNT, Big Apple to name a few)

 

http://cardinaldist.com/view_item.php?id=795&

 

The 4 inch capsule is presently offered by many amusement and bulk suppliers:

 

http://www.allstarvending.com/bulkvending/4inchcapsuleditems/4inch.asp

 

http://www.hmsmonaco.com/store.php?crn=240

 

http://tntamusements.net/store/product-list.php?pg1-cid61.html

 

http://www.sandbsales.com/contents/en-us/d33.html

 

http://www.bonitamarie-intl.com/Search/?catid=84&category=KITS+%2D+4%22+CAPSULE+%26+GRAVITY+HILL+PRIZES&filter=&bc=590+84

 

http://www.playtimetoys.net/novelty/n4ck.html

 

http://www.aaglobal.com/plush/prize-kits.htm

 

http://www.fordgum.com/product_detail.aspx?productID=66050   "This is a

mistake, it says the egg is 6 inch but it’s actually 4 inch"

[havending]

Folks this is huge for our industry two well respected Companies coming together to bring us the future of Bulk Vending.Parsal and Shaffer Dist.this is a guarantee hit.

I know alot of operators fought the All American Chicken Machine but just think for a second, 2" merchandise for 50 cents will become obsolete,its becoming more and more difficult to profit from.My thing is this you have a great machine in the Chicken with excellent features like pricing options being one of them 4"capsules that could vend at $5 and $10.

The Fact that the machine could be customized for a min. quantity order has alot of ideas racing thru my head and with A&A taking part in this project you could count me in.

Rick I agree our industry needs this progress. I for one am happy companies like AA are investing.

[havending]

In response to the emails regarding product for the All American Chicken Machines:

A&A Global Industries and Cardinal Distributing both have a wonderful assortment of toy or candy filled eggs for the 2 inch capsule line.

http://www.aaglobal.com/bulk-vending/bulk-vending-toys/2-inch-capsuled-toys/DELUC-deluxe-gold-eggs-bulk-vending.htm#sthash.imCYyj2o.dpbs

http://www.cardinaldist.com/category.php?id=17

You can purchase empty eggs from Cardinal Distributing and fill with toys or candy purchased from any other supplier that you presently deal with.. (i.e. Rhode Island Novelty, Brand Imports, Flatline, Impulse Amusements, TNT, Big Apple to name a few)

http://cardinaldist.com/view_item.php?id=795&

The 4 inch capsule is presently offered by many amusement and bulk suppliers:

http://www.allstarvending.com/bulkvending/4inchcapsuleditems/4inch.asp

http://www.hmsmonaco.com/store.php?crn=240

http://tntamusements.net/store/product-list.php?pg1-cid61.html

http://www.sandbsales.com/contents/en-us/d33.html

http://www.bonitamarie-intl.com/Search/?catid=84&category=KITS+%2D+4%22+CAPSULE+%26+GRAVITY+HILL+PRIZES&filter=&bc=590+84

http://www.playtimetoys.net/novelty/n4ck.html

http://www.aaglobal.com/plush/prize-kits.htm

http://www.fordgum.com/product_detail.aspx?productID=66050 "This is a

mistake, it says the egg is 6 inch but it’s actually 4 inch"

I like the Ford Gun Big League Chew four inch cap. That is sure to sell its a brand name product.

[caserri]

To demand a supplier give the prices that a dist may charge is crazy.

 

I don't think I "demanded" anything of the sort. I was told that no one knows what the retail price is, or will be. Not even the distributor. I believe that to be highly suspect. I'm not taking sides here but there is no way you are going to get me to believe that NO ONE knows how much this machine retails for. What is Shaffer going to do tomorrow when the orders roll in? "Sorry folks, we can't sell you the machine because we don't know how much to charge you."

[havending]

I don't think I "demanded" anything of the sort. I was told that no one knows what the retail price is, or will be. Not even the distributor. I believe that to be highly suspect. I'm not taking sides here but there is no way you are going to get me to believe that NO ONE knows how much this machine retails for. What is Shaffer going to do tomorrow when the orders roll in? "Sorry folks, we can't sell you the machine because we don't know how much to charge you."

Reading the story it looks like they are a few weeks out from shopping them out. Call them on 1/1 and I'm sure they will take your money.

[Smiley]

The machine addresses 2 problems I have always felt the All American Chicken had. While I don't own any, the chicken is next to my machines in a few locations. Plus I've followed every post made about the machine on here.

First, in a very  large store, the chicken sometimes gets lost if it doesn't have a grade A location within the store. Going bigger was a logical move.

Second, I am extremely conscious of giving the customer good value and keeping my product fresh and interesting. Not a big fan of just refilling the machine with a mix of eggs month after month. So, now with this machine we have a few more options including using some really exciting loss leaders in the 4 inch capsule to move some product.

Obviously you are going to need a high volume location for this machine. Certainly worth trying in the right location.

[caserri]

I'm sure they will. However that doesn't change the fact that they are being dishonest by saying they don't know how much they are going to sell it for.

Why can't they just say "we prefer not to release that information at this time." Instead of "We don't know" which is insulting to all of us.

--Steven

[sherlock]

Folks this is huge for our industry two well respected Companies coming together to bring us the future of Bulk Vending.Parsal and Shaffer Dist.this is a guarantee hit.

 

How do you come by all this certainty without even knowing the price of the machine?

[Rick Falcon]

How do you come by all this certainty without even knowing the price of the machine?

Regardless of what ever the price is it doesn't stop the machine from being a great machine

[sherlock]

Regardless of what ever the price is it doesn't stop the machine from being a great machine

 

You called it a "guarantee hit".

I took that to mean you were sure the machine was going to be a success.

Just like when someone describes a song or a movie as a "hit".

I guess you meant something else.

[Billnuts]

Rick I agree our industry needs this progress. I for one am happy companies like AA are investing.

investing what? 

 

A&A has sold 4 inch capsules for years...

they have sold mp 3 and toys for years...

 

So they change the header on the website to say  

Gravity hill mix   to  all american super chicken mix?

 

and that's investing?

[caserri]

Well it appears that I was right. They DO know how much these will sell for. I called Shaffer for a price and they were happy to give me one so here it is...

The base retail price on the new Chicken is $3,099.00. You would also have to pay shipping "from the factory" to Columbus Ohio. Then shipping to your location. When asked where the factory is, the answer I was given was simply "the east coast". I'm not sure if he was referring to the east coast of the United States or somewhere else. When I pressed for an answer as to where on the east coast the factory was, their only response was to question where I was located.

Well there it is. As expected, the price for the machine really is known.

--Steven

[Toad]

Well with $10 Per capsules it will pay for itself in no time , it's a no brainer

[denverduke]

I'm with Sacoa PlayCard and we actually used an All American Chicken from Shaffer in our booth at IAAPA so we could demonstrate how our debit card system works. I probably spent almost as much time answering questions about the Chicken Machine as I did about our PlayCard System. It was really a hit with ops as far away as Pakistan, as well as drawing more children to our booth, which is exactly what we wanted. I think it's better than a crane because there's no disappointment for the kids and they get a prize each and every time. The neatest thing was mixing in Gold eggs that had a "super" prize inside and you should have seen the kids' eyes light up when one came out. Now I wish we could have also had a Giant machine for the show, because I really like the idea of two options for customers at two different price points (eggs on one side, 4" capsules on the other side) in one machine, that's smart. We're planning on having this Chicken machine in the Sacoa PlayCard booth at Amusement Expo in Vegas next March because it worked so well, come visit us or contact me at 510-376-9607 if you want more info about either products.

 

 

[havending]

investing what?

A&A has sold 4 inch capsules for years...

they have sold mp 3 and toys for years...

So they change the header on the website to say

Gravity hill mix to all american super chicken mix?

and that's investing?

They are working on mixes targeted to the giant chicken.

[havending]

The machine addresses 2 problems I have always felt the All American Chicken had. While I don't own any, the chicken is next to my machines in a few locations. Plus I've followed every post made about the machine on here.

First, in a very large store, the chicken sometimes gets lost if it doesn't have a grade A location within the store. Going bigger was a logical move.

Second, I am extremely conscious of giving the customer good value and keeping my product fresh and interesting. Not a big fan of just refilling the machine with a mix of eggs month after month. So, now with this machine we have a few more options including using some really exciting loss leaders in the 4 inch capsule to move some product.

Obviously you are going to need a high volume location for this machine. Certainly worth trying in the right location.

Good points you have there. One thing that we have noticed is that the location is willing to give us the better location when placing a chicken. Many locations have bulk machines piled up in the foyer near the exit. Many of our chickens have been placed inside the main area. We have the best visibility and are seen first when it's time to go. Kids buy with their eyes so the large cap will draw lots of attention. There is so much you can put in a Four inch cap. I just reordered more of the I phone 5 type ear buds for use in redemption machines they would sell great in a four inch cap.

[sherlock]

Well it appears that I was right. They DO know how much these will sell for. I called Shaffer for a price and they were happy to give me one so here it is... The base retail price on the new Chicken is $3,099.00. You would also have to pay shipping "from the factory" to Columbus Ohio. Then shipping to your location. When asked where the factory is, the answer I was given was simply "the east coast". I'm not sure if he was referring to the east coast of the United States or somewhere else. When I pressed for an answer as to where on the east coast the factory was, their only response was to question where I was located. Well there it is. As expected, the price for the machine really is known. --Steven

 

                                                               

 

 

Holy Crap! $3099 + shipping + shipping for a base model!

 

Now I can see why they were reluctant to tell us the price.

 

I'm going to guess the majority of those sold will be bought by businesses who are buying only to put these in their own locations...and who know no better about the cost of amusement/redemption equipment.

[shepherdsflock]

I'm with Sacoa PlayCard and we actually used an All American Chicken from Shaffer in our booth at IAAPA so we could demonstrate how our debit card system works. I probably spent almost as much time answering questions about the Chicken Machine as I did about our PlayCard System. It was really a hit with ops as far away as Pakistan, as well as drawing more children to our booth, which is exactly what we wanted. I think it's better than a crane because there's no disappointment for the kids and they get a prize each and every time. The neatest thing was mixing in Gold eggs that had a "super" prize inside and you should have seen the kids' eyes light up when one came out. Now I wish we could have also had a Giant machine for the show, because I really like the idea of two options for customers at two different price points (eggs on one side, 4" capsules on the other side) in one machine, that's smart. We're planning on having this Chicken machine in the Sacoa PlayCard booth at Amusement Expo in Vegas next March because it worked so well, come visit us or contact me at 510-376-9607 if you want more info about either products.

 

 

An electonic bulk machine with debit card capability would be cool; but I have to ask how much is the card reader? $1500 for the chicken machine is already steep, add on a card reader and you're probably pushing $2000. You need to sell a lot of eggs to make back your initial investment.

[denverduke]

An electonic bulk machine with debit card capability would be cool; but I have to ask how much is the card reader? $1500 for the chicken machine is already steep, add on a card reader and you're probably pushing $2000. You need to sell a lot of eggs to make back your initial investment.

In most cases, you're correct shepherdsflock in that adding PlayCard to an All American Chicken in a single unit location would be price prohibitive or unnecessary because it's in a small location. I would however recommend it if the Chicken machine was placed in an arcade, FEC, amusement park, etc that is already using the card system for all it's other equipment as well. Honestly, you would probably never spend the money on a card system for a single machine or even a bulk vending rack at 25c or 50c play, volume situation only with better quality prizes that can command $1 vend in the eggs or capsules. But we do have a wide range of wireless card readers from under $200 to the top-of-the-line just over $300, depending on individual needs, indoor/outdoor use, screen size for advertising capability, etc, so the readers are not as expensive as you thought. I'd be happy to share the advantages with you, because there definitely is ROI that makes a card system a good value when you're able to recoup a lot of loss and costs, not to mention ease of tracking all the data you want for business reports. Give me a ring if you're interested in talking, 510-376-9607  ---   Brian Duke, Sacoa PlayCard

[Billnuts]

                                                               

 

 

Holy Crap! $3099 + shipping + shipping for a base model!

 

Now I can see why they were reluctant to tell us the price.

 

I'm going to guess the majority of those sold will be bought by businesses who are buying only to put these in their own locations...and who know no better about the cost of amusement/redemption equipment.

 

$3099  shipping $250.00   Plus Mars Dba  $300.00    Plus first fill of Capsules $500  +/- 

 

= $4149.00

 

Act now and get a free bottle...

 

[havending]

In most cases, you're correct shepherdsflock in that adding PlayCard to an All American Chicken in a single unit location would be price prohibitive or unnecessary because it's in a small location. I would however recommend it if the Chicken machine was placed in an arcade, FEC, amusement park, etc that is already using the card system for all it's other equipment as well. Honestly, you would probably never spend the money on a card system for a single machine or even a bulk vending rack at 25c or 50c play, volume situation only with better quality prizes that can command $1 vend in the eggs or capsules. But we do have a wide range of wireless card readers from under $200 to the top-of-the-line just over $300, depending on individual needs, indoor/outdoor use, screen size for advertising capability, etc, so the readers are not as expensive as you thought. I'd be happy to share the advantages with you, because there definitely is ROI that makes a card system a good value when you're able to recoup a lot of loss and costs, not to mention ease of tracking all the data you want for business reports. Give me a ring if you're interested in talking, 510-376-9607 --- Brian Duke, Sacoa PlayCard

I admit I know very little about how the card system works but I do know that it's being used more and more all the time. It's good to know that the chicken works with the card systems. Seems like every where I go i see more and more card swipes on cranes and all types of merchandisers.

[havending]

Holy Crap! $3099 + shipping + shipping for a base model!

Now I can see why they were reluctant to tell us the price.

I'm going to guess the majority of those sold will be bought by businesses who are buying only to put these in their own locations...and who know no better about the cost of amusement/redemption equipment.

This unit is in the same class as amusement machines. 3000 grand for an amusement machine is not a bad price. Have you priced an eye prize lately? It's a two inch cap machine that will cost you about double the chicken.

[Action Vending]

or i could buy 2 cranes.