BorderJerry Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 "These machines have so much flexibility." -------------------------------------------------------------- For less money than a single AA Chicken I can place a 9 head rack with a token filled bill changer (2 tokens for $1, 12 for $5). I can offer: - candy - gum - stickers - tattoos - a $2 2" cap mix (light ups loaded with laser pointers, say) - another 2" for $1 (example...NFL buildables) - another 2" ...maybe a 50 cent 'Mystery Mix' if I have leftovers that need moving out - 1.1" caps with all 7" sticky hands for .50, for example - another 1.1" with all large acrylic rings, for example - another 1.1" with a licensed figurine mix for $1 (need to be a 'fad' item to work at that price point) And all of these products will have bright displays showing the actual items. And I can change products & display in a half filled NW 2" machine in about a minute. How fast can you change products in a half filled chicken? Is there an access window or door on the bottom of the product holding area that allows for 'pouring out' of product?? So for less money, I can offer a unit with a dba that sells 10 different products at 5 different price points all at the same time. The AA Chicken operator is stuck with offering a single product from a single machine...all for more $$$. And I have the flexibility to break down the above equipment into what ever size rack may be needed in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxmark Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 "These machines have so much flexibility." -------------------------------------------------------------- For less money than a single AA Chicken I can place a 9 head rack with a token filled bill changer (2 tokens for $1, 12 for $5). I can offer: - candy - gum - stickers - tattoos - a $2 2" cap mix (light ups loaded with laser pointers, say) - another 2" for $1 (example...NFL buildables) - another 2" ...maybe a 50 cent 'Mystery Mix' if I have leftovers that need moving out - 1.1" caps with all 7" sticky hands for .50, for example - another 1.1" with all large acrylic rings, for example - another 1.1" with a licensed figurine mix for $1 (need to be a 'fad' item to work at that price point) And all of these products will have bright displays showing the actual items. And I can change products & display in a half filled NW 2" machine in about a minute. How fast can you change products in a half filled chicken? Is there an access window or door on the bottom of the product holding area that allows for 'pouring out' of product?? So for less money, I can offer a unit with a dba that sells 10 different products at 5 different price points all at the same time. The AA Chicken operator is stuck with offering a single product from a single machine...all for more $$$. And I have the flexibility to break down the above equipment into what ever size rack may be needed in the future. How do you bolt this changer to the rack and what power does it run on? Some may be really confused who try to use quarters instead of tokens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adog Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Well you can also have change machines vend quarters. Thats what I would do! Plus bills always look nicer then quarters but I love them both!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 "These machines have so much flexibility." -------------------------------------------------------------- For less money than a single AA Chicken I can place a 9 head rack with a token filled bill changer (2 tokens for $1, 12 for $5). I can offer: - candy - gum - stickers - tattoos - a $2 2" cap mix (light ups loaded with laser pointers, say) - another 2" for $1 (example...NFL buildables) - another 2" ...maybe a 50 cent 'Mystery Mix' if I have leftovers that need moving out - 1.1" caps with all 7" sticky hands for .50, for example - another 1.1" with all large acrylic rings, for example - another 1.1" with a licensed figurine mix for $1 (need to be a 'fad' item to work at that price point) And all of these products will have bright displays showing the actual items. And I can change products & display in a half filled NW 2" machine in about a minute. How fast can you change products in a half filled chicken? Is there an access window or door on the bottom of the product holding area that allows for 'pouring out' of product?? So for less money, I can offer a unit with a dba that sells 10 different products at 5 different price points all at the same time. The AA Chicken operator is stuck with offering a single product from a single machine...all for more $$$. And I have the flexibility to break down the above equipment into what ever size rack may be needed in the future. Kids can hardly figure out how to put two quarters in a machine this set up sounds confusing. How many of these setups do you operate and how do the sales compare to a regular rack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderJerry Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Inflation has not got bad enough for us to have to move to tokens. Adding a bill changer increases sales about 20%, especially when in a location where the cashiers don't like to make change (owner does not keep enough rolls in the drawer and no access to the safe). And we are on the border with a lot of customers who come over from Mexico to shop & dine...that may also make adding the changer more helpful for us than most other locations in the US. We have only done this at 3 different stops over the years. NEN is doing it now in some malls (with tokens). As the years go by, more and more sales are made with electronic means and not cash. In 5 or 10 years the smart phones will also be everyone's debit card, and the amount of 'change' folks carry will continue to decline. On a 'kinda related' note, I am still amazed that the Vegas casino's slot machine areas were able to so easily switch over to electronic payment. I think the casinos of 20 years ago had a much higher energy level just because of the sound of the coins being dropped when someone hit a winner. But I must be in the minority, because business is booming without that sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 We have some changers on racks they seem to help some but we still get plenty of quarters. I rarely carry change but I'm glad others do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronsidney Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 I could not agree with you more Ron. You guys better listen up Ron is a well respected supplier/ operator and he's telling you that EBV will own the toy vending market. It is so important to be able to take a dollar bill. If your waiting for Uncle Sam to wise up and go to a dollar coin and no bill don't hold your breath. Infact amusement guys don't even want a dollar coin. When I hear guys say machines like the chicken is just an expensive bulk machine I just shake my head. These machines have so much flexibility. I do think that vendors need a electronic bulk vending machine.. But everyone that has been made has been too expensive for 90% of bulk locations.. Sure the pitch that it will make MORE money than the rack that is there now and therefore you should be happy to pay more because of higher earnings is always the pitch by every one that has came out..(i.e. a&a's EBV, EBV that sammy made that time,tickets for prizes by benchmark etc.).. Is what we as bulk vendors need is a EBV that is the same price or very similar in price to current bulk setups.. Meaning a new 9 way rack costs about 6-700 and vends 9-12 selections (based on how many tat columns on that rack) so if you can offer that location a EBV for that price and make the same return then its a go.. sure the EBV may only vend one product but if the sales of that one product is as great as the 9way and the machine only costs as much as the 9 way then everybody will be on board.. BUT if the machine costs twice as much and the sales where only half then not so many people are gonna jump on board. so we can all agree that EBV's are the future but there still is only so much money in the piggy bank..if its a $100 a month location then it might work if the EBV's is a grand.. But if you break down say 20 locations on a average bulk vendor's route how many of them warrant such a machine? I would say the percentage would be small, but it is there, maybe 2 of them or say 10% of the locations .. now when you increase the price of the EBV from what i mentioned that percentage drops even more..but if the EBV was say $500 then wow, look how the percentage would increase in that same route, probably 50% of locations then... ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderJerry Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 If inflation gets bad enough and we still have the dollar bill, it may be a moot point. Concord's 850 ct gumball cost rose 16.67% at this years show versus last year. At that rate, prices double about every 3 years and 10 months. So by the 2017 show, the price for gumballs (show special price, by the pallet) will be 5 cents each. And by the 2021 show, the price will be over 10 cents each. Most single case sellers are well over $25 per case now, in 8 short years the price will be $100...at the current rate of increase!! Charity guys will be selling 4 chicle tabs for a quarter at cost of almost 6 cents... And Cuba may be the player that determines if charity vendors are still in business 15 years from now. If it goes democratic and opens up, then the sugar production will explode and help fight the price inflation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billnuts Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share Posted June 4, 2013 I have done that for years.. Changers on a 9-11 head rack you bolt them like you would a 2 inch vendor or a 2 head sticker machine small changer that carries $100-$150.00 in quarters Plug in type if there is power available Here is how to make a Chicken machine... Add on This seems viable and profitable and makes way more common sense than anything else Start with ANY CRANE made today.. with DBA Granger supply http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-AC-Gearmotor-3M098?Pid=search wood box http://www.amazon.com/Quickway-Imports-Small-Treasure-Chest/dp/B005JTHU1E/ref=sr_1_3?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1370310335&sr=1-3&keywords=treasure+chest 1 dowel rod... any hardware store 1/2 inch thick 1 chicken... your choice http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dgarden&field-keywords=wood+dowel+rod#/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dgarden&field-keywords=chicken+doll&rh=n%3A1055398%2Ck%3Achicken+doll mount the motor inside the box.. shaft upwards drill 1/4 hole inside dowel rod to mount to motor shaft.. paint dowel rod if you like.. mount dowel rod in chickens butt.. Put in the center of the crane.. run the power cord down the back side opening or drill small hole for power cord to run down into motherboard area.. Fill Crane with EGGS will hold at least 4 cases of eggs easy set to $$ amount you want for the eggs... and select play till you win.. and done... and when its served its purpose remove and you still have a crane.. total parts under $150.00 you can even get bolder... if you know electronics well and have a 12 volt gearmotor and have it activate when the crane is in play. if you need custom sounds to complete the chicken feel.. fright props sells mp3 sound boards or even if you really wanted to give them a SHOW http://www.frightprops.com/electric-motors-1/mechs/orbiter-mech-0955-mech-cir.html Have the chicken do some laps inside the crane in a circle http://www.frightprops.com/electric-motors-1/mechs/up-down-mech-4-throw-0955-mech-ud2.html Add this as well and not only will the chicken go in circles but up and down for a really unique and crazy show.. the uses are endless with a custom sound board... Santa... the Fortune teller.. easter bunny.. and on and on.. bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlock Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 bill -- that's an interesting concept. Your idea about the chicken machine sure gives the builder a lot of flexibility regarding color/theme/etc... But, I've got to ask, why would you order more All-American's if your custom machine is viable? If I had your idea/skills, I'd be putting my own version into those locations you've got waiting for an AAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbuford Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 If inflation gets bad enough and we still have the dollar bill, it may be a moot point. Concord's 850 ct gumball cost rose 16.67% at this years show versus last year. At that rate, prices double about every 3 years and 10 months. So by the 2017 show, the price for gumballs (show special price, by the pallet) will be 5 cents each. And by the 2021 show, the price will be over 10 cents each. Most single case sellers are well over $25 per case now, in 8 short years the price will be $100...at the current rate of increase!! Charity guys will be selling 4 chicle tabs for a quarter at cost of almost 6 cents... And Cuba may be the player that determines if charity vendors are still in business 15 years from now. If it goes democratic and opens up, then the sugar production will explode and help fight the price inflation. I don;'t remember where I read the article, but I once read how we used to get gum or the sugar for gum from Cuba and then they did the Cuban Embargo in the early/mid sixties so Cuba started selling their sugar to Canada, who made gum with it to sell the USA the gum. WTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogcow Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 If inflation gets bad enough and we still have the dollar bill, it may be a moot point. Concord's 850 ct gumball cost rose 16.67% at this years show versus last year. At that rate, prices double about every 3 years and 10 months. So by the 2017 show, the price for gumballs (show special price, by the pallet) will be 5 cents each. And by the 2021 show, the price will be over 10 cents each. Most single case sellers are well over $25 per case now, in 8 short years the price will be $100...at the current rate of increase!! Charity guys will be selling 4 chicle tabs for a quarter at cost of almost 6 cents... And Cuba may be the player that determines if charity vendors are still in business 15 years from now. If it goes democratic and opens up, then the sugar production will explode and help fight the price inflation. cuba wont be an issue you see the government puts a floor on the price of sugar. if sugar drops below a certain price the government buys it all up, plus we have import quotas even from friendly nations in s.america and africa. look into the fanjul brothers and how they have exploited politics to keep the florida sugar cane cartel in business. one brother is the biggest democratic donor in florida the other brother is the biggest republican donor. everyone knows bill clinton was getting a hummer while he was on the phone to someone in the oval office, the man he was on the phone with was one of the fanjul brothers. that is how powerful the sugar cartel is, they are on a first name basis with presidents. I don;'t remember where I read the article, but I once read how we used to get gum or the sugar for gum from Cuba and then they did the Cuban Embargo in the early/mid sixties so Cuba started selling their sugar to Canada, who made gum with it to sell the USA the gum. WTH we make cars in canada so we can sell them in the british commonwealth without paying the tarrifs its a common thing to exploit trade deals bill -- that's an interesting concept. Your idea about the chicken machine sure gives the builder a lot of flexibility regarding color/theme/etc... But, I've got to ask, why would you order more All-American's if your custom machine is viable? If I had your idea/skills, I'd be putting my own version into those locations you've got waiting for an AAC. he addresses that at the top of the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlock Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 he addresses that at the top of the thread Where? All I found was his comment regarding why he didn't canx his pending order -- and the reason was that he has locations he's promised a chicken machine to. My question is WHY did he go with the AAC since his idea seems plausible and his talent lends itself to making his idea work. If he gave one AAC a try, I understand...but he ordered additional ones and never cancelled. Not saying he is wrong or shouldn't have ordered more AAC's....just wondering why he didn't act on his idea since it seems doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderJerry Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 "the florida sugar cane cartel" Thanks for that enlightening, but depressing, update. Best democracy money can buy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billnuts Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 bill -- that's an interesting concept. Your idea about the chicken machine sure gives the builder a lot of flexibility regarding color/theme/etc... But, I've got to ask, why would you order more All-American's if your custom machine is viable? If I had your idea/skills, I'd be putting my own version into those locations you've got waiting for an AAC. I have placed two chickens I promised this other location a chicken long before I came up with the crane chicken idea if I didn't promise the owner of the new account the AAC already I would cancel my order The monkey can still be cancelled. its not in yet eather I was going to go with whichever showed up first HEY dogcow... the chicken idea would work great on those tiny cranes you ordered!! if you still have them bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandJGroup Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 What's negative about it? If he thought it was negative I'm sure he would cancel the ones on order but instead he's waiting on them. Lets look at the first machine doing around 80.00 he didn't say other collections were down so this is new money. He invested 1500 and its returning around 80. Not too shabby after 18 months you have income from the machine for years and years. The second location I would try a straight dollar product or give it a few months and see what happens. No machine is perfect for every location. Clearly my business model is different from yours. 80 bucks on a 2000 dollar investment is not acceptable for me. I read where you would only be a player for these machines if they did around 4 bills a month. What has changed? Anthony, It's a far cry from your above average of 250 a month. Again what has changed?? I was about to pull the trigger on four of these chickens. I wouldn't get close to one bc of all the bs that's been created about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserri Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I was about to pull the trigger on four of these chickens. I wouldn't get close to one bc of all the bs that's been created about them. AAC revenue reports seem to be all over the place. From $400+ a month to $20- a month. I'm wondering why you chose to believe the lower report? Quite frankly, I don't believe either of them. There is just too many personal feelings getting in the way to accurately figure out what these things are doing. Everyone is taking sides and lying just to make their side look better. I believe that the truth lies somewhere between the two absurd reports found here on the forum. Like assessing anything else, one must dismiss the best review and the worst review to find the real review. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 4 Beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandJGroup Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 AAC revenue reports seem to be all over the place. From $400+ a month to $20- a month. I'm wondering why you chose to believe the lower report? Quite frankly, I don't believe either of them. There is just too many personal feelings getting in the way to accurately figure out what these things are doing. Everyone is taking sides and lying just to make their side look better. I believe that the truth lies somewhere between the two absurd reports found here on the forum. Like assessing anything else, one must dismiss the best review and the worst review to find the real review. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 4 Beta Ive actually taken that into account. I think they are a 100 to 125 machine if you take a average of the bs and the amount of years I've spent in vending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Clearly my business model is different from yours. 80 bucks on a 2000 dollar investment is not acceptable for me. I read where you would only be a player for these machines if they did around 4 bills a month. What has changed? Anthony, It's a far cry from your above average of 250 a month. Again what has changed?? I was about to pull the trigger on four of these chickens. I wouldn't get close to one bc of all the bs that's been created about them. Nothing changed for me. I'm not pulling 80 a month on any ACC well maybe one that got unplugged. I just did not see the original post as a neg. not every location is a slam dunk if a machine doesn't preform relocate it. Don't just blame the machine. I have had cranes only do 40 a month did I stop buying cranes heck no I just move it until I get what I want. Ive actually taken that into account. I think they are a 100 to 125 machine if you take a average of the bs and the amount of years I've spent in vending. 150 was the least I ever did with a ACC and pushing 600 was the most Ive actually taken that into account. I think they are a 100 to 125 machine if you take a average of the bs and the amount of years I've spent in vending. 150 was the least I ever did with a ACC and pushing 600 was the most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adog Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 600 seems like a pretty unrealistic number for any machine in my view. Unless you have racks, cranes, chicken machines in the busiest of malls/huge Chinese buffets with non sop traffic, even in a prime location that seems hard to believe. Mybe for a crane set at a dollar or a huge 8+ way rack. Being near one of the biggest malls with machines in prime locations I still don't see kids very often at the vending machines. And if so people are usually stopping for the huge candy machine kiosk and not toys. But hey thats just my view. Maybe its a different world over here in So Cal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick505 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 600 seems like a pretty unrealistic number for any machine in my view. Unless you have racks, cranes, chicken machines in the busiest of malls/huge Chinese buffets with non sop traffic, even in a prime location that seems hard to believe. Mybe for a crane set at a dollar or a huge 8+ way rack. Being near one of the biggest malls with machines in prime locations I still don't see kids very often at the vending machines. And if so people are usually stopping for the huge candy machine kiosk and not toys. But hey thats just my view. Maybe its a different world over here in So Cal. My chicken machine has not seen more than 1/24 of his claims although it could happen in the right location. I now have it in a busy place and it looks to be on track to do 1/3 of the claim. But $600 is not unlikely from a nice crane account or a pusher solely in an establishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adog Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 My chicken machine has not seen more than 1/24 of his claims although it could happen in the right location. I now have it in a busy place and it looks to be on track to do 1/3 of the claim. But $600 is not unlikely from a nice crane account or a pusher solely in an establishment. I have heard of a few cranes doing that and definitely pushers but I didn't include pushers because most areas there band. I am just saying when only one or two people are claiming such high numbers and most operators, some that own insanely big routes are saying other to me that seems... well Odd will say!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandJGroup Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Nothing changed for me. I'm not pulling 80 a month on any ACC well maybe one that got unplugged. I just did not see the original post as a neg. not every location is a slam dunk if a machine doesn't preform relocate it. Don't just blame the machine. I have had cranes only do 40 a month did I stop buying cranes heck no I just move it until I get what I want. 150 was the least I ever did with a ACC and pushing 600 was the most 150 was the least I ever did with a ACC and pushing 600 was the most Yeah I figured how to move under performing machine pretty quick hav when I first started. Again you said you wouldn't invest if theydidnt do 400. What changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Yeah I figured how to move under performing machine pretty quick hav when I first started. Again you said you wouldn't invest if theydidnt do 400. What changed? 150 is the least I ever did. So do you think I should stop buying machines and not go after the spots that can produce great numbers because of 1 location that is not where I like it to be? That's some crazy stuff. Let me ask you a question? How much experience do you have with other types of machines? All I have seen you have is four colum sticker on top and 3 heads on the bottom or something similar. If these machines didnt produce do you think I would invest thousands of dollars and I mean thousands of dollars. How many zaxbys do you have? I'm in talks with a chain of zaxbys and guess what machine they want? It's not your sticker and one inch caps I promise you that. Don't pick my post apart to try and to make me look like I don't know what I'm doing. I will call AA order equipment and show you what I can do. My guys can pick off your locations one by one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havending Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 600 seems like a pretty unrealistic number for any machine in my view. Unless you have racks, cranes, chicken machines in the busiest of malls/huge Chinese buffets with non sop traffic, even in a prime location that seems hard to believe. Mybe for a crane set at a dollar or a huge 8+ way rack. Being near one of the biggest malls with machines in prime locations I still don't see kids very often at the vending machines. And if so people are usually stopping for the huge candy machine kiosk and not toys. But hey thats just my view. Maybe its a different world over here in So Cal. Even the big operators are smart enough to not tell you every thing and keep it all for them self come on man think about it. Suppliers are tell us they are selling more eggs. Operators are seeing more and more of them on location. Is that a sign of them not working? I see a triple as your avatar is that the machine your most proud of? If it is keep building until your locating racks build your business. Don't wast time on the VD band wagon My chicken machine has not seen more than 1/24 of his claims although it could happen in the right location. I now have it in a busy place and it looks to be on track to do 1/3 of the claim. But $600 is not unlikely from a nice crane account or a pusher solely in an establishment. So nick your on track to do 200. Machine pays out in under a year then you pick up 200 a month with a paid off machine not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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