mission vending Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Hi Folks, need some help. One of my machines seems to have a short. It was running fine, then it just stopped, and threw the breaker switch. When I turn the breaker back on, the machine starts, then when it starts to cycle, it popps the breaker again. Can any of you tell me where to start looking for what is causing the problem. I am not tech or trained to repair so I'm kinda learning as i go. Thank you!! Are you talking about the breaker on the wall circuit, the surge protector on the power cord or a internal breaker, if it has one? I have several full size coffee machines and have had this problem occur in one of my machines, the culprit was that the heating element had calcified and had overheated and split open causing a dead short in the machine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 Are you talking about the breaker on the wall circuit, the surge protector on the power cord or a internal breaker, if it has one? I have several full size coffee machines and have had this problem occur in one of my machines, the culprit was that the heating element had calcified and had overheated and split open causing a dead short in the machine. That sounds like a probable suspect (boiler). The simplest would be to unplug the molex plug that goes to the individual loads and plug unit 110v back in. This is isolating the shorted load such as boiler, pump, motor. I would unplug the boiler molex plug and plug in machine. then keep repeating until machine stays on or gives you a error. There are internal fuses located behind the coffee bin. Those are not popping so I would suspect that it may not be a dead short but maybe a ground fault as mentioned above. That would be like a boiler that busted and is shorting to water/ground. Peace Greatdane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnporter15 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hi Folks, and thanks for your help and suggestions. Sorry I havn't been back for a few days, Turns out, one of the compression connestions in the back of the machine had failed, and when the water pump started, it sprayed water on one of the electrical connections. The connection that failed is part 15 on page E018.083.05 of the manual (exploded boiler page). It failed where it connects to part 21. The tubing is 1/8 so i'm having little trouuble finding that size, the hardware stores only stock down to 1/4. This is an easy fix. Thanks again, John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnporter15 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I have just heard that CANMAX has filed bankruptcy, and that new machines can now be purchased from Saega! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission vending Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I have just heard that CANMAX has filed bankruptcy, and that new machines can now be purchased from Saega! How where did you hear this? Can you provide a link to the information? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnporter15 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 How where did you hear this? Can you provide a link to the information? I was talking to someone in the parts dept of Seaga and he asked if I knew Canmax was closing due to bankruptcy, Don't know if it's true or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 I wonder if that's because they want to sell their single cup machines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane Posted August 31, 2013 Author Share Posted August 31, 2013 Any new news on Canmax? Maybe now we can get FULL tech support without the biz op bull in a very timely manner from manufacturer and/or new USA distributor without going through the Canadian biz op. Saega provides awesome customer support and should be commended. I wish I could say the same for Canmax. It was a hit and miss there. I hope Jim gets hired by Seaga as his skills as tech support when available from Canmax was awesome. Greatdane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie1303 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Hi, can someone please help - I have a near brand new Saeco SG 200 (Rubino) . the machine won't dispense sugar although I have programmed it in the drink setup as well as in the system setup to dispense without paper cups in the machine. Any ideas where I am going wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danw Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Hi, can someone please help - I have a near brand new Saeco SG 200 (Rubino) . the machine won't dispense sugar although I have programmed it in the drink setup as well as in the system setup to dispense without paper cups in the machine. Any ideas where I am going wrong? Unless they changed the hardware in the machine, you need paper cups to dispense sugar. There is a door on the sugar tube that is only opened when the paper cup hits it. That's why the cup moves past the tubes and then back again to the end of the tubes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie1303 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Hi Tx, for the reply - I have taped down the microswitch to make it think it has cups so now it works. the program does howver give an option to select sugar without cup - but it does not work? Am I misunderstanding this option? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efman Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Hi Tx, for the reply - I have taped down the microswitch to make it think it has cups so now it works. the program does howver give an option to select sugar without cup - but it does not work? Am I misunderstanding this option? I signed up in this forum for the same reason. I am using the machine at home so I am not using paper cups. But I want sugar. I'll try taping that micro switch as well. But I'd like the machine to just do it. Is there a way? Thanks. This forum has already helped me before I signed up. Cheers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redwards053 Posted November 9, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2013 Newbie to Vendiscuss. 1. Just purchased 2 machines (2010 SG 200's) that had already been set up but not used (10 & 12 vends). The machines were set up in Italian. I've reviewed the forum, but never saw a solution of Italian to English. 2. Did not get the original VM chip. Will our 2012 chip work on 2010 machines? Can we re-program the machines with the 2012 chip? 3. It would be great if Jim Lake went to Seaga! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wolfmother Posted November 9, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2013 The chip may or may not work properly. Due to a change in having a independent hot water valve. Yes, the chip does change the language to English. However, you can change the language without the chip. Press P1, enter system management, scroll with Plus, until you see languino italiano. Enter. Press plus 4 times to English.press enter. Then press P1 to get out of programming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwards053 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Thanks for the help on changing the language. It worked perfectly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfmother Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Glad I could help. Do you have a use and maintenance manual? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwards053 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 We did receive a user manual. This machine is set up different than the newer models and will have to read up on the preselection options. New to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwards053 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Wife says "HELP!". We are getting calls almost daily. Our cups are not dropping and then jamming on several of the SG 200 Rubino machines purchased in early 2012. We have re-aligned cams, reset the cup carousel, and fluffed our cups. Using International Paper SVR-8 Champagne. I have noticed that the vertical seam on the cup is slightly lifted and may be causing the cups to catch or "lock up." Has anyone ever had a bad run of cups? Are we the only ones with cup problems? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danw Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Wife says "HELP!". We are getting calls almost daily. Our cups are not dropping and then jamming on several of the SG 200 Rubino machines purchased in early 2012. We have re-aligned cams, reset the cup carousel, and fluffed our cups. Using International Paper SVR-8 Champagne. I have noticed that the vertical seam on the cup is slightly lifted and may be causing the cups to catch or "lock up." Has anyone ever had a bad run of cups? Are we the only ones with cup problems? I've had the same problem with one machine. I replaced the cups, the entire cup dispenser, the base just in case the cabinet was skewed and had no luck. At first, I thought the arm just didn't have enough power. Watching the movement of the dispenser arm, it looked like the door was skewed and the arm was rubbing the top of the drip tray wall. Rather than fight with it, I changed the machine and put that machine somewhere that used mugs, not dispensed cups. If someone finds an answer, I'd love to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greatdane Posted November 16, 2013 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2013 I was informed by other "unauthorized operators" that they have had the same problem and they found that a raised glued seam can cause a jam as the cup feeder rotates the cup as it drops. If the seam catches or the cups are stuck due to too much glue, it will cause nuisance jams. The cups should be very smooth and seam almost undetectable. I have needed to order another 2000 cups. I use my local wholesaler and he had a account with International Cup Corporation. My original cups were not available but replacement #HV08622 was available as a replacement. I have never had a jam as far and the price was reasonable at $69.00 for 2000. Peace, Greatdane 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwards053 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Thanks for the help. We have been using Vistar as our wholesale supplier. We will see if they can order #HV08622 cups. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 Vistar will have no problem getting you the cups you require as they have International Cup Corporation as a supplier. Let us know if that cures your problem. Peace, Greatdane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwards053 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Thanks Greatdane. Found the cups through Master Wholesale and will be picking them up Monday. Will let everyone know how they work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwards053 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Just picked up the new cups yesterday. The HV08622 cup has a smoother seam and a heftier roll at the top of the cup. New question. Has anyone bypassed the dreg drawer micro-switch? The switch is not in the newer models. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 I have only bypassed the cup switch. You can program the unit as 'no cup' but I find it is easier to just tape the micro switch and set for free vend while the unit is in my kitchen. I like to keep all selections without giving up a 'no cup' key selection. My machines do not have that switch. Mine does have a dreg float switch that stops dreg container when full especially with auto rinse selected. I have fewer issues with auto rinse enabled. Uses a bit more water but prevents build up. A slow machine I visit once every two weeks is perfect with 5 gallons of water. I service the machine and the mixing bowls are really clean and problem free. One option I tried is two put a variable on/off grounded 3 prong timer on one machine location to save energy from the always on boiler. I found that by de-energizing the exhaust fan in hi-humidity areas, it would make the french vanilla powder harden in the discharge outlet. Let the machine stay on all the time cured that problem. I put a timer on my machine at home and when 5 am hits the machine turns on and at 7 am it shuts off. I have had no problems at home due to my indoor 15% humidity. Peace, Greatdane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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