Vendo Mike Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Hello All! Would you mind sharing what approximate percentage of your Glass Front equipment is "narrow" vs "wide" ( In BevMax terms 5400 vs 5800 ? ). I am trying to help my office understand the amount of equipment we're not selling based solely on the large size of the GF9. I have some numbers from my bottlers but I'm curious what you are seeing. Any reasoning for your decisions would be appreciated as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacanteen Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 wide machines for every narrow one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 Thanks you! Anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, lacanteen said: 4 wide machines for every narrow one Is this decision primarily based on the physical size of the location or size of the opportunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orsd Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Wider machines are always preferred for capacity reasons. But if there’s no space or they can’t fit through a doorway or something then you have to use a narrow. If it doesn’t sell enough to warrant a large glass front then it doesn’t warrant a glass front, period. Slap a 501E in and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 You had me all the way up until you said "slap a 501E in and call it a day". I see what you did there 2 hours ago, orsd said: Wider machines are always preferred for capacity reasons. But if there’s no space or they can’t fit through a doorway or something then you have to use a narrow. If it doesn’t sell enough to warrant a large glass front then it doesn’t warrant a glass front, period. Slap a 501E in and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewfriedman2 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 I personally dislike the 501e, sure it is a workhorse, but the wire gate causes incredibly slim columns (which makes for difficult and timely loading). On top of that I find it difficult to move the rear spacers when a new product is swapped in. PLUS finding flavor labels for some of the newer products is also difficult and time consuming. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZVendor Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Your hands are too large then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I don't have bear paws for hands but I do struggle a bit with the back spacer when I need to adjust. However, it's not an everyday task so it's not a big deal. I just don't understand why you or anyone else would ever have a problem loading it. My hand barely even goes into the column when loading. I just "shoot" the beverages in as I go. I can probably load a n entire column of bottles in less than 15 seconds when I'm in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southeast Treats Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I do like my 7 wide glass fronts but if I have room and can get a 9 wide that's what I do. The narrow machines are useful when the location does not have much space to spare, which is not uncommon. I'm about 50/50 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 Consensus seems to be that slim units are only used in places where placement is the issue due to size. I think LACanteen is saying that they use narrow glassfronts about 20% of the time. SouthEast is around 50%. Any other percentages out there? Also, are you placing glassfronts in places where a stack vendor would suffice but want something that presents the products better or is it to widen your variety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orsd Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Personally, for independent vendors, at least for me, glass front usage is all about the ROI. The main reasons to use a glass front is to help get or keep a good location, and when sales are strong enough that the sales boost from a glass front is enough to justify the extra cost and operational expense (extra maintenance, cleaning, and repairs, and the slightly lower capacity and longer time to fill). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 58 minutes ago, orsd said: Personally, for independent vendors, at least for me, glass front usage is all about the ROI. The main reasons to use a glass front is to help get or keep a good location, and when sales are strong enough that the sales boost from a glass front is enough to justify the extra cost and operational expense (extra maintenance, cleaning, and repairs, and the slightly lower capacity and longer time to fill). Technically, glassfronts have higher capacity than I think any other standard height stack vendors on bottles, especially when you can adjust everything for the right number of selections per flavor, but you do need to stock them before they get too low because it looks bad having 10 selections sold out even if flavor is actually completely sold out. It's a different ballgame with cans but I'd say capacity isn't a downside. But stocking can be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 We run 100% 5800's for glassfronts just because we can't get the narrower units from the bottlers (no inventory for over 2 years) We sold off all our rvv500s over concerns that parts might not be easily available into the future. Narrower units are really nice for locations when a 5800 won't fit and they don't want a market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southeast Treats Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I really prefer glassfronts for most locations, especially for bottles. There will always be some locations that are not suitable for them because of weather exposure or security, but I think it's the way to go. Customers want more choices than a stack machine can provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southeast Treats Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Some more thoughts: Since your current shelves are in units of 3, designing a 6 wide unit would be simpler than a 7 wide. A unit with 6 shelves (5 cans and 1 bottle height) would give a capacity of about 270 cans and 48 bottles, not bad for a smaller location. After all, there is a reason that DN built the 276 and Royal built the 550, there is a market there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Southeast Treats said: Some more thoughts: Since your current shelves are in units of 3, designing a 6 wide unit would be simpler than a 7 wide. A unit with 6 shelves (5 cans and 1 bottle height) would give a capacity of about 270 cans and 48 bottles, not bad for a smaller location. After all, there is a reason that DN built the 276 and Royal built the 550, there is a market there..... Funny you should say that. If I can get some traction behind development of a narrow unit, it would be a GF6 using the configuration you just called out. 2 trays / shelf as opposed to the wide 3 tray design. That should save us approximately 16" in cab width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Vendo Mike said: Funny you should say that. If I can get some traction behind development of a narrow unit, it would be a GF6 using the configuration you just called out. 2 trays / shelf as opposed to the wide 3 tray design. That should save us approximately 16" in cab width. As long as the per-column capacity is the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendo Mike Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 Column depth would not change, just removing a tray to offer 6 wide as opposed to 9. Great points and a good discussion. Please keep it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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